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granny #1012611 26th Jun 2016 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by granny
, would you like to see the Tories sink to depths of despair for ever more ?
yes Sorry. Could not resist seeyu laffin

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Originally Posted by cools
With all this trouble going on about the vote, wouldn't surprise me if they overturn it somehow.
When do we stop? Second referendum? Third referendum? No sympathy for those who did not research before putting their X in the box and are now spitting the dummy.

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Also. where is 'Gideon' aka Chancellor George Osbourne? Not been seen since Friday. think

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Originally Posted by granny
, would you like to see the Tories sink to depths of despair for ever more ?
yes Sorry. Could not resist seeyu laffin


It was directed at Anna Soubry. grin


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How many posters have signed the petition calling for a rerun? It's well over 3.5 million at the moment. Over 10% of the people who voted. It would appear that a lot of people who voted out, have at last realised the implications of leaving and are regretting it.

I was amused to hear that the petition had been started by a Brexit supporter, worried they might lose. Even more amusing is the current UKIP line about a lot of the signatories coming from the Vatican. Unfortunately for them you need to submit a UK postcode for your vote to be registered, and the system also monitors your URL so it you are not in the UK it will reject your signature! In other words its the same sort of lies as conned people into voting out in the first place!

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
How many posters have signed the petition calling for a rerun? It's well over 3.5 million at the moment. Over 10% of the people who voted. It would appear that a lot of people who voted out, have at last realised the implications of leaving and are regretting it.

I was amused to hear that the petition had been started by a Brexit supporter, worried they might lose. Even more amusing is the current UKIP line about a lot of the signatories coming from the Vatican. Unfortunately for them you need to submit a UK postcode for your vote to be registered, and the system also monitors your URL so it you are not in the UK it will reject your signature! In other words its the same sort of lies as conned people into voting out in the first place!


You've not made that very clear. Is this what you are talking about.

Second referendum petition: Inquiry removes at least 77000 fake signatures, as hackers claim responsibility for 'prank'

Some 39,411 residents of Vatican City, home to Pope Francis, appeared to have signed
Telegraph.co.uk‎ - 6 hours ago

Vatican Population is only 451 !!


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Originally Posted by Excoriator
In other words its the same sort of lies as conned people into voting out in the first place!


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And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".

A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.

The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.





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Its hardly a secret that Corbyn is anti-EU, his initial motivation to back remain was because he was concerned what the Tories would do with power handed back to them.

He was pushed into a hypocritical situation by his own MPs regardless that the opinion of the party members who he represented was uncertain.

He was not in either official campaign teams, why should he have pushed the matter hard? I should imagine he was uncomfortable with the lies that were being promoted by both sides - should he really have joined in with the deception?


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Originally Posted by granny
Isn't she just. 'My mummy said I'm a proper little madam' !

If there should be another referendum, does it mean that every time there is a General Election, and not satisfactory to some, we can have another one ?

Also sick and tired of hearing about the young people and their percentage of votes for staying in the EU. Anna Soubry another one who has just batted on about it on Question Time. Well I say to you Anna, when the election comes, would you like the over 40's to abstain and see the Tories sink to depths of despair for ever more ?

All these cabinet members from both sides are absolutely steaming, in particular Diane Abbot. Would it surprise us that promises of continued careers have been suddenly, put on the back burner.



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Originally Posted by granny
Isn't she just. 'My mummy said I'm a proper little madam' !

If there should be another referendum, does it mean that every time there is a General Election, and not satisfactory to some, we can have another one ?

Also sick and tired of hearing about the young people and their percentage of votes for staying in the EU. Anna Soubry another one who has just batted on about it on Question Time. Well I say to you Anna, when the election comes, would you like the over 40's to abstain and see the Tories sink to depths of despair for ever more ?

All these cabinet members from both sides are absolutely steaming, in particular Diane Abbot. Would it surprise us that promises of continued careers have been suddenly, put on the back burner.

Yes please granny the um party in the depths of despair, love it smile




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Strangely enough, the um um party are in the depths of despair at this moment in time. Another "HOW MANY" resigned over night ?

They can probably understand, (and better later than never), what the majority of the population could see from the word 'GO', that he cannot lead a march of ants and no one will want to be cosying up now, to (as they used to be known)'The Reds Under The Beds'.

It's not difficult to reason who their supporters are.
We didn't want those fools in the 1970's and most with any sense will avoid them like the plague now.

Another HOW MANY have resigned overnight. Oh dear, oh dear, who's laughing now ?? raftl raftl raftl


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Not many left now eh Casper ? laffin Probably find Angel Eagle has been caught is a noose.



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When people (especially politicians) say the majority of, or most of the people see the sense of their argument or statement I tend to think they don't know how the majority think until proven by a vote.
Jeremy Corbin was elected by the largest majority of any leader by those who voted for the leadership.
It's the platform he stands on (anti austerity, workers rights) - not that he can outshout or tell better lies more convincingly than most politicians.

I say let's see how it goes if there is another leadership contest and if he wins again.
I wouldn't be surprised if he won again those who say they couldn't work with him will split the party and possibly break away

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Originally Posted by derekdwc
I say let's see how it goes if there is another leadership contest and if he wins again.
I wouldn't be surprised if he won again those who say they couldn't work with him will split the party and possibly break away


I agree. Corbyn was chosen by the people because they were sick of New Labour, and that's all the other candidates were.

He's not the best choice (Alan Johnson or Chuka Umunna would be mine), but he was the best of a bad lot.

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I can't wait until Corbyn gets another large mandate, blow the wind out of the right wing "labour" MPs.

How dare they argue with the members, if you don't want to represent them then just flip off to the tory party.

I just renewed my Labour party membership two days after the referendum.


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