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We only voted to remain in the "Common Market " which was a con because actually it included much more.

I think we joined in 1973 without a referendum, prior to that we had an agreement of association.

We never had a referendums on the occasions where we gave away much of our sovereignty. If you don't think we have lost our sovereignty look at the way it has been manipulated such that it is near impossible for us to leave the EU.

Pity the Liverpool Echo article was published in 2004 and the paper is notoriously inaccurate and politically biased anyway.

Regeneration takes time. Liverpool, fourteen years later, is no longer a 'pauper area' Indeed, judging by the number of construction cranes visible above the skyline, it's doing rather well at the moment.

Far from it, many of the developments have stalled, areas like London Road are becoming an open drugs ghetto.

The massive build-up of the Universities and student accommodation is going to backfire in the long term, its unsustainable because every University town is doing the same thing.

In the mean time, certain developers and investors are making huge profits, that money has to come from somewhere.

We are rapidly heading into the same discontent and poverty which led up to the Toxteth riots etc previously.

Tory philosophy is based on the beliefs of Friedrich Hayek which Margaret Thatcher used as her handbook. Starve the poor of money and free healthcare, make the rich as rich as possible and hope some of their money trickles downward through competitive and philanthropic means. Incredibly Hayek won a nobel prize for his work.

Thatcher admitted in later life that this was a complete failure which she was very sad about, relying on philanthropy to sustain society didn't happen, it was a pipe dream.

You think things are bad now?

Wait for a hard brexit. Wave goodbye to The Ford plant and the Vauxhall plant for starters. Cuts and closures of things like libraries, benefits etc. For once, you can't even blame the tories. Brexit means the government will too skint to afford what we have now.

You know very well where the blame lies!

Here's a topical example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44438846

Jaguar and Land Rover are moving production of the Discovery to Slovakia from next year to make room for manufacturing some 'new models' here.

I expect you believe that (a) this is nothing to do with brexit and (b) the new models will actually be made here. I believe neither, although a pilot plant may be briefly set up to iron out any production problems before the new models follow the old out of the UK and into the EU. JLR would be failing in their responsibility to their shareholders to do anything else!

The UK bribed JLR to move to Slovakia, this deal came about because we are members of the EU. It would not have happened if we were not in the EU.

If you are so convinced that you understand JLR strategy, can you explain why they didn’t move to India.

India is not in the EU. They'd have to pay a tariff on cars imported into the union, where the biggest market is.

The reason they are not moving to India is exactly the same one that has impelled them to move from the UK.

Being outside the EU is a huge trading disadvantage.

India is the biggest importer of cars into the EU so it must be cost effective.

Have you told Norway and Switzerland about this, I think they'd wanna know

This made me laugh:

Wetherspoon to stop selling champagne ahead of Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44465657

Where to begin tearing it apart? I bet they sell very little, its all Cava and Proscecco - which is conveniently not mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, they're also produced in EU countries and are very cheap to buy wholesale and knock out for a tenner. So I can't imagine Tim Wetherspoon killing that cash cow.

And stopping German beers for British ones? Remind me how his little plan to stop selling Heineken worked out.

Im sick of the word....soundbite " brexit" sick of it.
EEC was a nazi idea in 40s under herman gehring ( excuse spelling )
It wont be properly done. Expect incompetence.
Ted heath commited sedition trying to get people on side of the EEC in the 70s .
Proven in court papers released by the government.
Mps will sail the uk down the river as per usual.
If you watch the EU doc on ch4 at mo it shows how much a slow complex self serving costly monolith it is.
Its like a giant party house for m.e.p.s
Why would they help the uk to end it???
I like ukips gerard batten hes cool & talks straight

May has no interest in the UK what so ever she is a disgrace , She should resign .
You got gerard batten right though.Its time for the British to wake up and get there country back we have had enough lies .Britain needs someone to support the people .
Is there any ukip on the Wirral?

Talking of Brexit......Huge rally this weekend in London.

I agree with you on May and co but, UKIP has to many right wing nutters attached to its shirt tails.

Anyone here work at Broughton, making Aircraft wings?

I am sorry for you if you do, for obvious reasons. I suspect that there are lots of companies quietly planning to do the same as Airbus but find it best to keep mum about them.

Project fear is fast becoming project fact!

A lot of my old colleagues ended up at Broughton, some are still there. We'll see what happens, its not the first time this has been on the table. The few big industries around after Maggie's destruction have got into the habit of blackmailing for hand-outs especially in the automotive industry.

Interesting to see Germany attempting to introduce legislation to protect itself from migrants at the cost of other EU states especially the Mediterranean ones. I'm glad to see Italy taking a stance against Germany on this, the others have fear of financial punishments with Germany controlling their purses.

Even more interesting is that Germany is trying to block the freedom of movement inside the EU at the same time as saying its non-negotiable to the UK??? One rule for Germany, another rule for everyone else but of course the EU is their empire.