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Casper, I thought you were happy about a General Election. Maybe my grey matter is getting confused, or maybe you have done a Mrs. May and changed direction ?

She still got 44% of the votes. However, there's no doubt that the majority of losses is attributed to 'Remain' constituencies, and basically a show of hands from them. No doubt backed by 'that woman' Gina Miller.

Can't deny that she and her advisors have made a proper cock up with the campaign, but Corbyn simply promised the earth to everyone in every section of society.

Yesterday, one gentleman from the ex mining community, said he would never vote Tory after what Maggie Thatcher did to the mines , and volunteered the comment that Labour would bankrupt the country. So he decided he would be voting Labour.

Anyway, let's see what happens. Can't say I relish another Election, and doubt many others would either.

Shame Greens only got one seat, but no doubt expected. I can't help jumping for glee over Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson being voted out.

It's all a bit of a 'mess' as you indicate and it will be nice to get on with life now.

The current Government had plans to borrow £4bn this year, rising to £7.5bn by 2022. Importantly they have not said where this money will go but they have stated that austerity measures will be increased, so far most of the money has gone to to the top 5% and they have not stated how they will manage this debt.

Labour plans are to borrow £12.5bn by 2022 but have been very clearly where the money is going and how they plan to manage the debt.

The libdems planned to borrow £8.7bn by 2022

The country needs to invest in itself, the tories intend to carry on giving money to those who are already making the most profit and get the rest of the country to pay for it.

There is no logical reason to reduce corporation tax to the levels it is other than to make the rich richer, it is a disaster for this country. France and America have corporation tax nearly double of the UK.

The Tories will be reliant on paddy power, now whats that going to cost us? sweeties for NI, perhaps the Tory blue will turn to green or even green and blue check, com'on Boris eat up all your shamrock salad.

Well, I just wish that some things could be explained fully by parties that wish to use certain criteria to their advantage.
Austerity measures have been imposed on all 27 member states in Europe . Greece are looking at even more this year directed by the IMF.

Just maybe, we or any other member state cannot wriggle our way out so easily, and if we have 'brexited' after 2020 then maybe we will be more in control of our own administration and finances and the austerity will be a problem gone. I don't know, but all the EU countries that are having tough times, result in all the other member states contributing to their problems. The money paid into the pot from us and others is simply paying off the interest of all other bail outs.
No one can talk about all that I suppose, but I do wish we were better informed instead of everything being on the surface without any depth of discussion.

Maybe they think we are too dim to understand all the workings, which most of us probably are, but it would be nice for someone to try. We never hear anything about the dictats of Europe and their ongoing changes etc. but that is probably down to signing a confidentiality agreement and no one can breach the rules.

Once out, we could very well be in a far better uncontrolled position, in all areas.

How many times have I remarked about the agenda of the EU and the 2020 strategy, where the prison service, the education, the health, the forces, and so many more things were to be directed from Europe, if that was to have happened we would have to have been making preparations for it. Now we will be able to pull back fro that agenda, but as we are still a member, politicians are still unable to talk about it.

Yes, you notice there was a blackout on news from Greece once the election was declared in fact there was very little mention of austerity from the tories or media despite that the tories have already quietly declared some new measures.

The disastrous effects of the EU drive to cut budgets and slash public spending are detailed in a 357-page World Social Protection report by the UN agency, the International Labour Organisation

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EU policies have given rise to persistent unemployment, lower wages and higher taxes, boosting poverty and social exclusion rates, which now affects some 123 million people or 24 per cent of the EU population.

TUA EU: Trade Unionists Against the EU

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-austerity-measures-driving-millions-into-poverty/

Going back a bit to socialism, Portugal is doing very well out of socialism and the ditching of austerity.

I see the Tory ideal of privatisation is doing well and prospering, aided by tax funded bailouts from the taxpayer, you couldn't make it up.

Hmm, months of strikes from teachers demanding nine years of frozen salary incremements.

The Lisbon business school saying:



Others saying things like:








Yeah, doing very well indeed......

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Almost sounds like here only the largesse here go's into the pockets of the wealthy.

Give it time, Portugal was on the next to go bankrupt a few years ago, the turnaround is amazing. It was a liberal-conservative party that brought it to its knees. The economy has risen to the same point it was 12 years ago, its still a long way behind.

Population Portugal : 10.5 million, and unemployment 8%..

No comparison to the UK . Population 65.5 million and unemployment 4.1 %

Our unemployment figures are well fiddled, anyone that works even 1 hour a week is called employed.

The size of our workforce has just shrunk because sixteen to eighteen year olds are not allowed to be unemployed, many are forced into academic training whether they are capable of coping with academic subjects or not.

Likewise if you are unemployed you are cajoled into going on training or sickness which reduces the unemployment figures.

People that are unemployed but don't register for unemployment do not appear in the unemployment statistics (you'd be surprised how many people come in this category).

Carers don't appear in the unemployment statistics despite many being unemployed and wanting a job (caring isn't employment).

The Government aren't interested in unemployed or even employed people, its all about making their version of statistics look good.

What percentage unemployment do you consider to be correct ?


How about imagining if Theresa May suddenly announced that her government was going to devalue the pound by 96 per cent; increase the minimum wage by 6,000 per cent; pay the wage increases for millions of businesses for three months; tie the pound to a mythical cryptocurrency; prepared for petrol rationing; and impose a 0.7 per cent tax on big financial transactions. It would be seen either as an act of lunacy, of a collapsing country — or both.

Would it be an act of lunacy ? .

For it to be confirmed as an act of lunacy you only had to go as far as "if Theresa May".