Forums Forums Wirral Information Law And Your Rights Stop a second referndum.

Petition to stop a possible second referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/peti...uEu-UXVwvx3syRPJK-vM9JVFrsNpsEVo8rlMPrdg

Getting worried are we, Granny?

Its already passed the 100,000 mark so the Government will have to make a response, unfortunately it ends 1/2/2019 by which time our fate may be sealed anyway,

Just a few summaries of the data when the count was 109325

132 signatures from Birkenhead constituency.
154 signatures from Wirral South.
137 signatures from Wirral West

650 UK constituencies have signatures

1884 signatures from outside the UK
97 countries have signatures

With the reports about Aaron Banks it seems possible that the leave campaigners broke the rules so it seems to me that the referendum should be declared null and void.

I don't think it really matters what goes on from now with regard to who did what, if the result is upended, there is one thing we can be very certain of, and that will be an horrendous backlash on our streets.
Is it really worth tipping the referendum result, against those in privileged positions who wish to disrupt, and reverse for financial , personal, and ambitious reasons within the EU ?

Clegg has pushed off now. No jobs in the EU any longer for him, so he's gone to Facebook ! Cameron is looking to come back into politics... I wonder where Blair will land his cheery ass.

No, not at all. However those unelected bureaucrats in Brussels might well be, as Italy looks as if it could be next.

I think Italy owes EU too much money, they would need a financial sponsoring country to leave.

The eastern block are getting fed up with EU becoming as authoritarian as the Soviet block was.

The EU cannot continue in its current form, it is heading to being a superstate which most countries don’t want.

Signed.
come on you wiki members sign and share.

Does this mean if I steal your telly or your car I can keep it?

If the referendum was dishonestly fought then of COURSE it should be declared null and void! It is quite p[ossible that you will win again and honestly this time so what's your problem?

That has been my view for a long time. Possibly expected , considering half the countries now in the EU were part of the Soviet block at one time, (in our lifetime) therefore, many who are in a position of making decisions on behalf of the rest of us, have never really experienced true democracy at the same time our democracy seems to be slipping away due to EU rulings.

As it was a non-binding referendum I don't see how it has any legal status and certainly don't see how there can be prosecutions and rules concerning funding limits.

what i find interesting is after the Aaron Banks stitch up broke news then the next day we get the Labour anti semitism row hitting the headlines. Murky hands at work in the background and i bet TB is amongst them . I cant remember a general election when the old chestnut about campaign funding didnt arise.

I can see the rules for campaign funds changing, these days Labour have more money than the Conservative party.

No they are not!

Just keep watching and counting the number of times Poland and the EU are in court. The courts so far have generally favoured poland's right to sovereignty which shows how aggressive and arrogant the EU has been in trying to take away Poland's sovereignty.

Good for you , granny! With you all the way. We should never have got tied to Europe. Should have been a trade deal only right from beginning. Can’t understand why anyone would think we need to stay in.

I'm afraid I don't agree. Its thanks to the EU that we have clean rivers and seas we can swim in, not to mention cleaner air. Its thanks to the EU that we don't have acid rain.

The UK was known as "the dirty man of Europe" for decades.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/basics/health-wellbeing/clean-water/index_en.htm

And what about the working time directive? Or the extra regulations on banks?

Or any of these:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6455879.stm

Well, apart from plastics of one form or another, have the EU done the same for Canada, Australia, New Zealand ?

...and here's another view on the wonderful EU. Written by George Soros. It would appear that he could be master of all, and his foresight would indicate that it's going to take the EU quite along time to get back on it's feet.

The EU have referred to UK being equivalent to 19 small countries, no wonder they would rather hang on to us.

I dare say if any agreement is extended after 29th March 2019... we will have to pay another annual amount of £billions for the privilege of being stopped in our tracks by one thing or another.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-soros-explains-his-audacious-plan-to-save-europe-2018-05-29

As was Germany, Poland and various other countries in Europe.

The drive to clean up pollution was because of the rising cost to health services and loss of working time, it happened in independent Countries as well, you cannot possibly attribute this to the EU without acknowledging that if the UK had been independent then it would have still cleaned up its own act the same as most developed higher population density countries have throughout the world.

The EU still allows use to defer our pollution to other Countries so its not saving the earth or people, the moral argument is lost, its purely a financial issue within the EU.

Nope because its been shown other "developed" countries haven't bothered. The US for example, especially with their recent walk out of the Paris climate accord.

Funnily enough USA scores higher on Environmental Performance than eleven EU countries, furthermore the UK scores higher than twenty three other EU countries.

More than half the top 50 are EU nations which shows the EU has got some sort of influence but the UK has CHOSEN to go above and beyond the average for the EU.

1 Switzerland
2 France(EU)
3 Denmark(EU)
4 Malta(EU)
5 Sweden(EU)
6 UK(EU)
7 Luxembourg(EU)
8 Austria(EU)
9 Ireland(EU)
10 Finland(EU)
12 Spain(EU)
13 Germany(EU)
14 Norway
15 Belgium(EU)
16 Italy(EU)
17 New Zealand
18 Netherlands(EU)
19 Israel
20 Japan
21 Australia
22 Greece(EU)
23 Taiwan
24 Cyprus(EU)
25 Canada
26 Portugal(EU)
27 USA
28 Slovakia(EU)
29 Lithuania(EU)
30= Bulgaria(EU)
30= Costa Rica
32 Qatar.
33 Czech Republic(EU)
34 Slovenia (EU)
35 Trinidad and Tobago
36 St Vincent & Grenadines
37 Latvia(EU)
38 Turkmenistan
39 Seychelles
40 Albania
41 Croatia(EU)
42 Colombia
43 Hungary(EU)
44 Belarus
45 Romania(EU)
46 Dominican Republic
47 Uruguay
48 Estonia(EU)
49 Singapore
50 Poland(EU)

Just wanted to know, how many millions its cost to get this far and we are still not out of the EU, then to say give tthe UK another vote, so we could be wasting many more hundreds of millions and for what, to drag on for more years and the counrty is still flat lining?
Maybe we should have a vote to get rid of MP's, lets have a deal?
"I work for a company, lets say its a supermarket, one day i leave to work for someone else, but still want to go shopping, can i still have my store discount card so i can get my shopping cheaper please, the answer would be P*** Off, that's what we are asking the EU?!

Really?


UK given days to show it will comply with EU air quality laws
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-it-will-comply-with-eu-air-quality-laws


UK taken to Europe's highest court over air pollution
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...europes-highest-court-over-air-pollution


Thames Water hit with record £20m fine for huge sewage leaks
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...t-with-record-fine-for-huge-sewage-leaks

Your Wikipedia table just relates to policies - not action: "The Environmental Performance Index (EPI) is a method of quantifying and numerically marking the environmental performance of a state's policies. "

Yes, over 80% of the EU has a worse track record than us, we are the good guys by choice.

When the UK was taken to court by the EU for air pollution, so was France, Germany, Hungry, Italy and Romania - but our media don't mention such things. Other countries like the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Spain narrowly avoided being taken to court by promises about how they will tackle air pollution but which they are unlikely to achieve.

Almost all of those problems were to do with vehicle emissions, this is a progression towards pushing for electric vehicles, the emission standards for combustion vehicles are getting ridiculously tight and if they continue it will be unlikely that engines will last anywhere near the expected 100,000 miles we are used to.

The biggest joke is things like stop/start on combustion engines, sounds brilliant in basically description but of course is actually counter-productive in practice, overall it probably produces more pollution and in any case it is only the tiniest fraction of the pollution produced by the vehicle.

If they want to reduce vehicle related pollution they need to construct more over-passes at cross roads, this is true for electric vehicles as well.

The whole affair would appear to be a stitch- up anyway. i.e. if the BBC have reported correctly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46228454

No Brexit re- negotiations, EU Leaders Warn ! Sounds like a re-run of the signing of the Munich Treaty :

An emergency meeting of the main European powers, not including the Soviet Union, took place in Munich, Germany On 29-30 September 1938. An agreement was quickly reached on Hitler's terms. It was signed by the top leaders of Germany, France, Great Britain, and Italy. Czechoslovakia was not invited to the conference. Militarily, the Sudetenland was of strategic importance to Czechoslovakia as most of its border defenses were situated there to protect against a German attack. Germany took control of the Sudetenland following a low-intensity undeclared war in the area that had started on 17 September 1938. The agreement was soon followed by the First Vienna Award which set the new border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary, while Poland also annexed territories from Czechoslovakia. In March 1939, the First Slovak Republic was proclaimed and shortly by the creation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia Germany took full control of the Czech parts. As a result, Czechoslovakia was dismembered.

For anyone thinking we should leave without a deal.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/221747

But its exactly the opposite, we subsidise the EU, we have always been a net contributor, its us that is giving the discount to the EU, not the other way around.

On top of that, we import more from Europe than they import from us. They make a huge profit out our trade deficit with them, yet they think when we leave we should pay them a fee for us to allow them to continue making a profit out of us???

And .... on top of that, the EU forces us to pay more for our goods than the world market price and want this practice to continue after we leave.

Then there is the little detail that the EU want us to carry on paying them after we leave to the tune of £39bn, have you ever heard of an equivalent situation anywhere else, especially as it wasn't even in the small print of the EU contract, they are making the rules up as they go along without any precedent or permission to do so.

Furthermore, even when we have left, the EU want us to obey their laws and be judged in their courts.

The EU are out to punish us as harshly as they can to discourage other countries from leaving this unholy mess of making a German superstate.

Unfortunately Brexit has occurred at the same time as having one of the worst Governments we have ever had, this Government of the 6th richest economy in the world has chosen to punish its citizens financially and is going to happen in parallel with the punishment they allow the EU to slap on us.