The Cat carving is from the Phoenicians The Sun Godess is Norse
/ Dr Frick Slaps himself
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.. Ray Bellisima is the name given to the River Mersey by the Phoenicians. It is named after the Phoenician Cat God. The female marking on Bidston hill faces the river Mersey and looks to have a cats head. Coincidence ???
thats a dead good find ..... loads of houses are starting to colapse now due to tunnels like this, as houses have been built on top of them when they werent mapped .. so no one new they exsisted ... they are since then slowly finding out where all these tunnels are as houses are starting to fall through.
ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy
The so-called Sun Goddess is very unlikely to be Norse, as there is no cosmological side to Norse mythology, with their deities entirely taking on human form. They simply did not worship cosmologically.
There is almost certainly no Phonician link to this area, and most of these 'theories' are based upon odd Victorian and later historians, trying to find links from Ancient Briton to much grander predecessors than our hut dwelling ones!
It's impossible to date these carvings, as there has been nothing similar found, and as such are as likely to be early modern graffiti as they are ancient.
Also, there is no evidence that anyone called the Mersey BELLISAMA. I'm assuming someone has mixed up Ptolemy's writings on ancient Britain, where he mentions a river goddess called Belisama.
Sorry to burst a few bubbles, I more than anyone would like this to be true! Although as a post-script, any solar worship that occured in Britain would most likely be druidic, or earlier. It's just unlikely, that's all!
Just to add one more thing however: my main reason for dismissing Phoenicians is that the Mersey did not exist as a river in the time of Ptolomy, rather is was a series of pools, which only interlinked in flooding and high tides (hence Tranmere Pool, Wallasey Pool etc).
However, the Phoenicians were sun worshippers, and the idea of a female giving birth to a sun fits in nicely with both this and egyptian mythology. The Phoenicians probably traded tin in Britain, but perhaps were trading salt this far north? I thought I was a bit too negative in that last post, so thought I'd redeem myself!
sorry, this thing is annoying me now, hence the posts!! It could also be a possible early Christian symbol, arms outstretched and a sun are all known Christian symbols, although there are arguements that this is merely an evolution from Isis worship.
The so-called Sun Goddess is very unlikely to be Norse, as there is no cosmological side to Norse mythology, with their deities entirely taking on human form. They simply did not worship cosmologically.
There is almost certainly no Phonician link to this area, and most of these 'theories' are based upon odd Victorian and later historians, trying to find links from Ancient Briton to much grander predecessors than our hut dwelling ones!
It's impossible to date these carvings, as there has been nothing similar found, and as such are as likely to be early modern graffiti as they are ancient.
Also, there is no evidence that anyone called the Mersey BELLISAMA. I'm assuming someone has mixed up Ptolemy's writings on ancient Britain, where he mentions a river goddess called Belisama.
Sorry to burst a few bubbles, I more than anyone would like this to be true! Although as a post-script, any solar worship that occured in Britain would most likely be druidic, or earlier. It's just unlikely, that's all!
Im not convinced, Mark Olly who established and runs the archaeological unit CWP Archaeology (Celtic Warrington Project) whose aim is to document all prehistoric and Dark Age remains in the Merseyside & Cheshire is just one of many credible Archaeologists who have suggested this theory.. below is an extract from his website:
"The one of interest to us is that of a goddess with the moon at her feet and the face of a cat. She is known as the 'Moon Goddess' and may be related to the Egyptian lion-headed sun goddess 'Tefnut' of Heliopolis who represented the moisture in the air, clouds, mist, dew, rain and later possibly the rivers of Britain (and nowadays, probably the weather in Manchester !). She was the partner of 'Shu', God of the air, son of 'Atum' (or the great creator sun God 'Ra'), personification of the "Breath of Life" who held up the sky goddess 'Nut' from the earth god 'Geb'. In form this would make 'Tefnut' a perfect female equivalent or partner to the male Creator-God of the early Christians and Celts.
The moon symbol is undoubtably a later Celtic addition, possibly added to indicate that this version of the middle eastern goddess 'Tefnut' is associated with the river 'Belisama' (Mersey) who's original Egyptian/Phoenician name was 'Rhebelisama', goddess of moon and heaven. While there is nothing to say a river can not be represented by both the sun and moon, this might explain why cats and cat goddesses of the moon are associated with the distinctly 'solar boat' shaped river Mersey. The Egyptians and Phoenicians also tied their major solar and lunar dieties to rivers such as the famous Ra and the River Nile association. While they are renowned for trading tin from Cornwall, a Phoenician ship has been found as far north as Scotland raising the possibility that the Phoenicians first gave the name 'Rhebelisama' to the Mersey as long ago as 650 BC, well before the Romans used the name".
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