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When I was in morocco we raised money for an orphanage over there and for a disabled charity. Without that charity the disabled children in morrocco are left to die with no one looking after them. Many of the families see it as bad to have a disabled child and so just leave them to look after themselves on the street. Count yourself lucky you have a goverment who support you as much as they do. I'm sure if you really wanted to you could cut down on a few things if things are really that tough.
So many people claim they can't afford food or clothes and yet are paying money to sky for their tv's or expensive mobile phone contracts. I work part time as I'm in uni but when its the holidays I do full time hours. On a full time week I earn around £300 of which I have to pay for my fuel, insurance, tax, and other car things because I need my car to work. This leaves me with about 200 a week. Then take out my phone contract and other bills I need to pay I have about 150 left. I'm looking to move out in the next couple of months as I'm getting married, which also takes money out of my weekly wage. Yet I've done the figures and I can afford to buy a house that we're looking at. So how you struggle to live on more than I earn when I work full time is beyond me. You have just spent £150 per week on paying your bills! A family of 3 are expected to live on exactly that, so, once they've paid their bills, what do they have left for 'food and clothes etc'? Nothing! But that's Ok, they should be 'grateful'! Hey? £150 a week that includes the cost of my car, which takes up at least 2/3rds of that amount. And I need my car for working. So if I wasn't working I'd have at least £100 a week less going out. Also if I was on benefits I could apply for council housing, council tax benefit and such like. So I could practically live for the cost of some food and a few quid in the meters now and then.
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And I'd like to point out that I don't have an issue with eople receiving benefits. I fully support a system in which those who need help get that help. What I am saying is that those benefits should not allow the person receiving them to get luxuries such as tv's and things like that as I don't see why taxpayers should be footing the bill for that, whether its up front or in high interest monthly instalments.
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People on benefits get council tax benefit, free health care, and money into their accounts every week. I recently had to pay £204 for work on my teeth that I wouldve got for free if I was on benefits. I think most people feel that the system is unfair as it is more beneficial to be on the dole than to work. Just wanted to clarify that not everyone on benefits gets free dental care. Also, if you work and earn less than £16,000 you can get help with dental costs but you have to apply for it. Also, if you are single, you can get a 25% discount on your council tax - which if you wanted to be pedantic, could be classed as "council tax benefit" as it has to be clawed back from somewhere. I notice that nobody gets antsy over the amount that the MP's can claim per day for things like food, the alcohol bill for the HoC etc. Their "benefits" cost the tax payer a lot more than the benefits system. Annoys me when people assume that everyone on benefits gets everything for free when it's not the case!
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I earn much less than 16k and applied for the assistance and they sent me a certificate for help with health care costs. It stated the on the nhs the maximum I will pay per dental treatment was £254.20. However the highest band of treatment for the nhs is currently £204. So is is impossible to go over the 204 per treatment.
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It unfortunate but usual that many who have contributed on this thread are taken in by the propaganda that is circulated and post from a position of envy or lacking compassion.
The benefits in this country are calculated by government, civil service and by independents. The figures reached are set to give the recipients a decent standard of life, not have them living in workhouse conditions. Once they receive the amount of their entitlement it is not up to us to means test anyone and tell them what they can and can't have or do with that money. It may appear sensible to give up certain items to make ends meet but are we going to tell the elderly to live in one room and close down the rest of the house because they struggle with fuel bills.
If someone is in paid employment and works x amount of hours for x amount of pay and finds themselves on less money than a like for like on benefits, that should tell them they are being undervalued for their services and their wages are to low.
Suggesting the disabled and recipients of benefits are lucky they don't live in Asia etc is a Dickensian attitude we are thankfully rid of, though, God only knows there are plenty who would be delighted to return to that era.
It's all very well thinking you might be undervalued but it's not necessarily possible to get any change. Minimum wage through agencies supplying support workers for people with disabilities. They need to have a car in most cases but no petrol allowance given. Can be asked to travel as far as Chester or Liverpool(Maghull in one instance) 14 hour shifts, for a repeat performance the next 2/3 days.and no tunnel money.Some weeks they don't get any hours hardly and they do this because they want to 'make a difference' to those people with diasabilities who have been disposed of, into a home! Impossible for these people to even get a deposit together to rent a property. They will overall be bringing home a lot less than £150 per week with no assistance. Yes, and they live with their parents, so their parents support them, not the state. Men in their 30's living with parents, is not good and all because they chose to do 'support work'.You can probably work out how old their parents might be too. Dickensian attitude you mention is in an attempt to make some understand that we are a developed nation and have a system in place to help those who are most needy in our society, without such a system they would have a lot more to suffer. It is in my lifetime that babies, who were born with disabilities in this country, were suffocated at birth, if the parents gave consent. There obviously wasn't too much compassion then. I don't beleive anyone is saying that genuine cases are not understood but we don't need to have it rammed down our throats at every available opportunity.What happened to the wonderful positive attitude the paralympics gave us this summer? Do we really feel we have to treat people on a different level if they have disabilities? I would have thought to treat them as equals would be far more acceptable. Everybody is feeling the pinch, and for someone to say that prices are going up, is apparent to everyone. What's more, I think blaming the government remark is rediculous, and the Liverpool Echo reporter should understand what he is actually writing, and it should be properly edited, before going to press.
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I do agree with Granny,but a big chunk of paralymic glory went out of the window with your crying man because he did not get a knighthood, ok off topic ish
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The government control the benefit system and it's the government who have decided to strip benefits from the most vulnerable members or our society! I don't see how you cannot 'blame the government' when they're the people doing it?
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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I have just noticed this thread and I have to admit that I am clearly missing something.Can somebody please tell me which benefits are being stripped from the most vulnerable members of our society? The benefits cap will be set at £500 per week for couples and lone parents and at £350 per week for single adults.Surely anybody can manage to live pretty well on that tax free amount plus The cap will not be applied for 39 weeks to those who have been in work continiously for the previous 12 months and who lose their job through no fault of their own. The other 2 benefits which I am aware of which are being changed are the child benefit cut to those families where one of the parents is earning over £50,000 and the "bedroom tax". In the case of the former it seems totally sane to revisit a benefit which is paid to high earners and surely £50,000 must be considered to be high or at least pretty close to high. In the case of the "bedroom tax" there does appear to be some justification for revisiting this I do think,though that it ought to be tempered with common sense and not applied without really serious consideration for the impact it will have on families.As it does not apply to pensioners I am not certain that the argument that many people have lived in the same house for most of their lives is totally justified.In the case of non pensioners then it seems sensible to consider each case on it's merits and if alternative,suitable and mutually agreed accommodation is available then perhaps it makes sense for people to move and leave the bigger places for those who really need them.
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The government control the benefit system and it's the government who have decided to strip benefits from the most vulnerable members or our society! I don't see how you cannot 'blame the government' when they're the people doing it? That is a completely different argument from the one you started this thread with.
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No one is being stripped of benefits, just all the scammers can't fake being unable to work anymore!
The cuts are needed..too many people sitting on their @rses expecting a free ride.
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the goverment is an arse, they were going to tax the rich on there propertys but when they said" fair enough but you wont be holding any more partys here" the goverment though SHIT and had the lower class pants down instead, while were getting shafted there getting food alowance and stuf ON TOP OF A REDICULASLY HIGH WAGE!!
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