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BUT......Re Chris Huhne:



Crime is Crime! Or is it because he is/was an MP? Both paid for by the tax paying members of the public!!

I don't understand your thinking

Can i ask something? what if you knew someone was cheating the system would you blow the whistle on them?

Be honest would you?

would you?

Yes, I do believe that there are many undetected abusers of the system. The reason I come to this conclusion is that there are, from time to time, well publicised cases of abusers being detected. I find it impossible to believe that all cases are detected, therefore there are other undetected cases.
My "motive" is to complain about the system being abused, to the detriment of genuine cases; i.e. that because abuse is known to occur, all claimants are under suspicion.
I have no personal knowledge of abuse of the system; rest assured that if I discover a case, I will certainly report it. There was a case only today of a farmer who claimed incapacity unjustifiably and over a period collected £100,000. He got 18 months jail. It wasn't reported whether he has to repay the money; I hope so. This happened in the Midlands and probably only made the local news.
As long as cases like this appear, I will continue to believe that more go undetected; do you not agree?

Handy Guide for The Wiki Wannabe Fraud Squad

http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/whatis.asp

is alive and working lol

VERY WITTY RUDEBOX!!!!!!!

I can't understand why you seem to be exteremely protective of those who cheat the benefit system! There can't possiby be any correct figures and I assume you have been in a position to have experience and are able make the counter claim, of what others might know as fact.
To be protective of such, would indicate that you DO NOT have the best interests of the struggling, benefit claimants, at heart. So your contirbution comes across as not very genuine. IMHO
You seem to be very good at your fancy words and long drawn out reasoning, but I find your posts a bit boring, as they are a bit too repetative.A lot like articles from a 'political author' of a local rag.

With reference to Pokerchamp's post I would say that others should have experience on front-line services provided by councils. Eyes could well be opened.... many times, it does not go unnoticed.

Talking about Benefit Cheats not the struggling Benefit Claimants.

Yes I would shop them, why should they be claiming for what their not entitled too and sitting around on there backsides not even trying to find work.

I like this statement from Rudebox's link.

It’s not if we catch you, it’s when. And when we do, you could face a prison sentence.

this is very true Mr Rudebox, thanks for the link.

Cheeky,am asking the questions.

People are just trying to get by on the pittence people get from the goverment, cameron is quick enough giving people the push...police..firemen..nurses..armed forces...shops closing by the dozens..yet he complains there are too many on benefits???you cant have it both ways cameron...how about you lot of greedy mp's claiming for all sorts of goodies for your big houses (and they have millions of ££££'s) but nothing is done....then cameron wants more money taken from the poorest, yet it was mp's who got us in this mess in the first place so why cant they take a huge drop in wages instead of wanting a pay rise of £30,000+ and asking everyone to pay for there mistakes...
the cheek of it, if i knew someone cheating the system i would not grass them up...if its good enough for the mp,s its good enough for everyone...

Granny,

I fear you have completely missed my point.

My posts were in no way intended to be protective of those who cheat the benefits system, and if you care to re-read them (if that's not too boring for you? ) I am confident you will belatedly appreciate that.

My objection is in relation to sweeping statements, inferring or explicitly stating that the majority of benefits claimants are cheating. There is little basis or evidence for this claim, and yet it seems to have pervaded into public consciousness, certainly amongst some of the contributors to this thread anyway.

The reason I view that unsubstantiated standpoint as dangerous is because it inevitably stigmatizes genuine benefits claimants, and that is exactly what this manipulative and malevolent government intended. That way, they can make their ideological attack on the poor and vulnerable with minimal opposition, and instead of being forced to confront the very real hardship, and danger, they are placing people in, they can merely write them off as scroungers, or an underclass undeserving of compassion. The reality, of course, is that this is far from the truth, but the Tories tactic of choice is to divide and conquer by repeating their mantra of misinformation until it becomes accepted wisdom. Not very subtle, but alas it seems to be working, and that, Granny, is why I have been at pains during this debate to refute observations that simply regurgitate received information as fact.

What next for people whispering in the shadows, detracting easy targets and minorities? Maybe "those ethnic minorities" or "those gays" are next on the radar for unjustified slur and attack!

I genuinely believe this country is becoming an intolerant, and judgemental maelstrom of hate, and that, in my humble opinion, is very sad.

I genuinely believe this country is becoming an intolerant, and judgemental maelstrom of hate, and that, in my humble opinion, is very sad. [/quote]
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OK ,24424m, maybe I have missed some of your points but the threads you write are somewhat laborious to wade through. So here's another one.
Can't agree with your above comment. We are probably one of the most tolerant countries in the world, to every other one, apart from our own. I genuinely believe that we are having far too many changes thrust upon us over a relatively short period of time, and we are beginning to suffer from 'overload' which we are all fighting back at, as it's our natural way of survival.
Our tollerance has diminished considerably. When saying a short period of time, I mean the last 15 to 20 years, continuous change. None of us knows how to deal with it anymore, we are unable to speak openly about so much now, for ethical reasons. We can't critisize, we can't have an opinion over something that is viewed as intolerant or predjudiced by others who may feel offended.People, I am sure sit in their own front room saying some pretty racist comments unheard by the outside world. We are who we are, and too much change, I believe, is leading to bitterness and turning us against our own. There is a name for that I think, but I can't remember it. We are becoming like caged animals. The same applies to most of the european countries. Speak to people from France, Holland, Spain etc. They have very much the same problems for the very same reasons and they too are not heard. We do not hear about what is really going on in those countries, unless we search for it.The people of Greece are in dire straights, far, far, worse than here, we don't hear their voice at the moment becuase it's not chosen for us, that we do.
We are a tolerant nation and also very fair but as posted above, I think we are getting closer the 'neighbour against neighbour' as we have been pushed to the limits by succesive Governments.
By the way, for those who did not vote in the last general election , I feel, should not be making any negative comments about the Government of the day. It was, indirectly, your choice.

p.s Why don't you have a name like 'billy' much easier to identify with, rather than a number, which is another step forward to loosing any identity you may have had? Please can you adopt the more 'understandable' vocabulary in your posts? I can't understand what you're saying!

Also think there are a number of spelling errors in this, but can't be assed anymore to deal with them !

Phew, that was a somewhat laborious rant Granny, skirting around the edges of racist views - that is where you were going with that wasn't it, suggesting intolerance towards immigrants is okay?

I do agree, this country has traditionally been tolerant, and that's my point really - that as a nation, we a rapidly losing that liberal tolerance that once defined us, in favour of intolerance, hate, and generalized detractions of certain groups & easy targets, as though they can be defined as a whole by the actions of some. That very notion is as ridiculous as labelling the wikiwirral community as "all the same".

There is certainly many an unhealthy view harboured behind respectable net curtains and neatly manicured lawns these days, but I guess some people would suggest that was alright, as the sources are deemed to be "pillars of the community".

So apart from issues with some people who are a different colour to you, have a different sexual orientation to you (which apparently makes you queezy) and benefits claimants, is there anything else bothering you Granny, apart from apparently my username that is ?