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Ok, hypothetically then, next time a young twenty-something male is skulking through the deserted streets of early morning Irby and a police van is on routine patrol they should ignore him just in case he's a young out of work uni grad (not that it is at all relevant to the situation, and is only being used to assist in painting him as a victim, just because he's a grad does it make him more of a specially undeserving victim or more of a 'how dare they'?) but what if this particular young twenty-something is a drug addict looking for a house to burgle? So the police drive on by because they wouldn't want to upset or offend the subject just in case he all of a sudden becomes a streetside law expert, starts arguing, maybe gets aggressive then restrained then goes off crying assault. What if this person then burgles a house ten minutes later, gets disturbed, and badly hurts the occupants or even worse. It the transpires the next day a police patrol was in the area, and saw the person, but didn't stop him, you'd all be screaming "where were they? Why weren't they doing their job?" When it all could have been avoided by a quick stop, who are you, what you doing here, quick search, that it's you're nicked for going equipped to steal!
The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So why does everyone who sometimes may or may not look suspicious at that moment in time always do their best to obstruct them and become a victim.
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Ok, hypothetically then, next time a young twenty-something male is skulking through the deserted streets of early morning Irby and a police van is on routine patrol they should ignore him just in case he's a young out of work uni grad (not that it is at all relevant to the situation, and is only being used to assist in painting him as a victim, just because he's a grad does it make him more of a specially undeserving victim or more of a 'how dare they'?) but what if this particular young twenty-something is a drug addict looking for a house to burgle? So the police drive on by because they wouldn't want to upset or offend the subject just in case he all of a sudden becomes a streetside law expert, starts arguing, maybe gets aggressive then restrained then goes off crying assault. What if this person then burgles a house ten minutes later, gets disturbed, and badly hurts the occupants or even worse. It the transpires the next day a police patrol was in the area, and saw the person, but didn't stop him, you'd all be screaming "where were they? Why weren't they doing their job?" When it all could have been avoided by a quick stop, who are you, what you doing here, quick search, that it's you're nicked for going equipped to steal!
The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So why does everyone who sometimes may or may not look suspicious at that moment in time always do their best to obstruct them and become a victim. 
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If the lad looked like he was up to know good then I don't see a reason why any police officer should question the goings on, but for the poor lad to be assaulted for nothing by a group of people with the authority they have is hideous to say the least. And as for walking about at 5am, there are plenty of other people who walk around at that time of the morning. People coming and going to work, people currently working ie. milk-men, post-men (unlikely around my area, they like to have a lie in). I myself like to go jogging at that time of the morning as it is reletively quiet. I would never expect this to happen to anyone, at any time of they day any how. Hope he isn't too shook up, but I would report this incident and try and get something done about it.
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Report it then and be frowned upon, like i said, waste of time, they were doing their job.
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5am is peak hour for the rats who take our stuff from our sheds, cars, and houses. I was stopped by Victoria park few months ago around the same time. Police asked me a few questions which i answered, they explained to me why they had pulled over ( few things going missing in the area around this time). They then told me to take care, i paid them the same courtesy and we both went on our way. Of course if i had started with the non of your business not telling you nothing mr fascist bully boy routine it may have been different
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5am is peak hour for the rats who take our stuff from our sheds, cars, and houses. I was stopped by Victoria park few months ago around the same time. Police asked me a few questions which i answered, they explained to me why they had pulled over ( few things going missing in the area around this time). They then told me to take care, i paid them the same courtesy and we both went on our way. Of course if i had started with the non of your business not telling you nothing mr fascist bully boy routine it may have been different Usually you have to do a little bit more than ask if you are obliged to answer their questions to get the Starsky and Hutch treatment.
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I think the key word is cooperation, treat people how you wish to be treated, I know the police can be a bit overbearing on occasions but cant see them putting the arm on someone for no reason. Sadly in this day and age everyone is suspicious, terrorists ,thieves, muggers, druggies, no wonder. I can understand your lad being a bit put out, nice lad no trouble, but the police don't know that, I know we tend to believe our kids but they are not always straight with us, maybe he was miffed for being stopped for doing nothing and gave a bit of gob.
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The guy went out with a cup of coffee to watch the sun rise and a bit of peace, at a time I might add that is not unusual for people with cups of coffee to be walking about on a weekday morning, if I got stopped I would enquire as to why also, it's a fair question. I mean why stop this guy when not once have I ever been stopped and at some points would have been perfectly reasonable given I've been going for late night/early walks since I was 13 or walking home at some pointless hour alone and I'm female, they've driven past me plenty of times with not so much as a second glance so I guess an at risk situation is fine but a normal one is highly suspicious. I don't think any of the times I've contacted the police they've performed their job the way it should be. Yes there is a stigma when it comes to the majority concerning the police but there are some of us who respect them and believe they will do their job right, no matter how many times proven wrong and if you where stopped for no apparent reason and questioned why I'm sure you'd be more than pissed and shaken that the answer was getting your face slammed into the side of a van and your personal space violated
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Your son failed the attitude test.
Simple as that.
"nothing officer, just having a walk and clearing my head"
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...if you where stopped for no apparent reason and questioned and refused to answer the questions and ask why they wanted to know i'd expect that to wind plod up to say the least.
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Ok, hypothetically then, next time a young twenty-something male is skulking through the deserted streets of early morning Irby and a police van is on routine patrol they should ignore him just in case he's a young out of work uni grad (not that it is at all relevant to the situation, and is only being used to assist in painting him as a victim, just because he's a grad does it make him more of a specially undeserving victim or more of a 'how dare they'?) but what if this particular young twenty-something is a drug addict looking for a house to burgle? So the police drive on by because they wouldn't want to upset or offend the subject just in case he all of a sudden becomes a streetside law expert, starts arguing, maybe gets aggressive then restrained then goes off crying assault. What if this person then burgles a house ten minutes later, gets disturbed, and badly hurts the occupants or even worse. It the transpires the next day a police patrol was in the area, and saw the person, but didn't stop him, you'd all be screaming "where were they? Why weren't they doing their job?" When it all could have been avoided by a quick stop, who are you, what you doing here, quick search, that it's you're nicked for going equipped to steal!
The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So why does everyone who sometimes may or may not look suspicious at that moment in time always do their best to obstruct them and become a victim. All very well, if you look at the possible 'bad 'picture, but I can't see that slamming him up against the van, is the way to deal with someone who is not even a suspect. We all know the police are not the white as white characters we are led to believe, most of us know someone who has had dealings with them, and the stories tend to have a very similar theme. We also know, that they have to do their quota of jobs per night to prove they haven't been slacking! So maybe he was just to make up numbers.
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Ok, hypothetically then, next time a young twenty-something male is skulking through the deserted streets of early morning Irby and a police van is on routine patrol they should ignore him just in case he's a young out of work uni grad (not that it is at all relevant to the situation, and is only being used to assist in painting him as a victim, just because he's a grad does it make him more of a specially undeserving victim or more of a 'how dare they'?) but what if this particular young twenty-something is a drug addict looking for a house to burgle? So the police drive on by because they wouldn't want to upset or offend the subject just in case he all of a sudden becomes a streetside law expert, starts arguing, maybe gets aggressive then restrained then goes off crying assault. What if this person then burgles a house ten minutes later, gets disturbed, and badly hurts the occupants or even worse. It the transpires the next day a police patrol was in the area, and saw the person, but didn't stop him, you'd all be screaming "where were they? Why weren't they doing their job?" When it all could have been avoided by a quick stop, who are you, what you doing here, quick search, that it's you're nicked for going equipped to steal!
The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So why does everyone who sometimes may or may not look suspicious at that moment in time always do their best to obstruct them and become a victim. All very well, if you look at the possible 'bad 'picture, but I can't see that slamming him up against the van, is the way to deal with someone who is not even a suspect. We all know the police are not the white as white characters we are led to believe, most of us know someone who has had dealings with them, and the stories tend to have a very similar theme. We also know, that they have to do their quota of jobs per night to prove they haven't been slacking! So maybe he was just to make up numbers. But he was a suspect, he was refusing to answer questions, that in itself can be construed to be suspicious cause what was he hiding? Of course from the details given on here we know he was hiding nothing, but how were the officers to know that? He was being obstructive, surely we've all seen road wars, street crime uk, night cops etc on tv and seen how a officer simply attempting to interact with a member of the public, for whatever reason, can quickly and totally needlessly escalate to the person being forcibly restrained almost always because they began being arsy with the officer and refusing to answer the simplest of questions then it all spirals out of control! And all very well looking at the possible bad picture? Its not just possible it's happened time and time again throughout the country, and people would be the first to hold the police to account if it had happened when it could have been averted! I don't see how putting someone up against the van can be anything to do with their quotas, if there is a quota to meet they could have done so simply by stopping him, enquiring, getting their answer and going on their way, job done quota met! If it escalated to that point the subject obviously played a very major part himself in it getting to that point!
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it would seem all assumptions are made against the lad stopped,it was his attitude that was at fault etc.this sounds like bored coppers flexing to me,and yes it does happen!a lot of coppers don't even know the laws they are there to uphold as I have twice had letters of apology simply because I knew more about their job than they did!im not saying all of them are bad as I have met some great bobbies,but the ones trying to prove themselves end up looking stupid!pursue the complaint all the way.
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I'm a Good Girl me, never even had a Caution  (although many moons ago a copper stole me fag and ground it out with his foot- he said I was under age to smoke and I was). Sorry, irrelevant...
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