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Dodgy Bobby,The street crime and road wars programmmes are made for entertainment! Of course the best bits are edited for production and of course, they always seem to have a camera there. Wake up ! According to your post, everyone is a suspect until proven innocent, in my opinion 99.9% of the British public are honest decent folk. That is were we are wrong in this country, for example, thinking that every muslim is a terrorist.
I feel sorry for the police in the fact that their whole life must be suspecting people, even their own family and friends. Very similar to how the USSR used to operate, and still do. Friends , family ,neighbours etc were always suspects under Kremlin law and still are.Doesn't give much chance to any other poor, unsuspecting soul, does it?
Maybe you would prefer a police state!

Our forces are not particularly bothered about attending any reported burgularies in any great hurry, are they?

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Interesting reading the different replies and thanks for some of your concerns. I dont think the actual stopping and being asked questions is/was a problem. It was the total over reaction of a police officer to use violence and force in a situation that did not warrant it. I can only see that this was to intimidate and perhaps provoke a reaction from my son. I will be asking my son to consider making a formal complaint if only to mark the collar of this particular officer--who may have a problem.

I understand the "roadside lawyer" comments but my son did tell them his degree was not in law !.

Like a officer cares what someone's degree is?!?! It's irrelevant! So what a person has a degree? Why does that make them any better / any worse than any possible suspect? Violence or reasonable restraint? As a parent it's a given to choose your child's word over anyone else but given that your child has the intelligence to attend and graduate from university, they therefore must have have the intelligence to comprehend common law, refusal to identify ones self to a officer or judge invites suspicion worthy of investigation which if obstructed will lead to further intervention (including physical restraint if deemed nessacery), hence my streetside lawyer insinuation.



Granted the afore mention documentaries are edited for viewing pleasure / action, but where did I say everyone is guilty till proven innocent? I merely insinuated that he was equally responsible for his treatment given his attitude towards a officer of the law by refusing to answer simple questions that, by given his level of education he should have realised were a legal requirement to answer! Not to become a suddenly aggrieved member of the public with nothing to hide! Again we come back to my point of all easily avoidable if he hadn't taken a attitude from the off!

How about a similar situation which arose in West Kirby, a few years ago. The particular unsuspecting person, with friends were questioned by police officers.As the main person who was being questioned was doing a degree in law, he quoted article no.--- to the police officer, after which they were left alone and told to go on their way. That particular person is now a barrister in London. Of course, during university he looked like 'chav central'!

Meaning, the police don't always know all the rules and if they do, they certainly don't follow them. Maybe they prefer to use their judgement from visual discrepancies.Therefore, someone should have a go at 'fashion gurus', see if they can change the image for some of these young people.
Can't imagine that sleepy little Irby is a hot spot for terrorists.

......and what's more, I'd be an agrieved member of the public if I was stopped ad questioned, for no apparent reason.In fact I'd probably hit them with me 'andbag!!

Take the 24 yr old out of it and think 'adult'. Would you like it, and would you not be upset and put on the spot? I'm sick of the young people being trampled.
If everyone on here thought the same would happen to their son or friends son, or nephew,or grandson, do you think they would take the same view as those supporting the incident on the police behalf? I think not.
Always remember, what goes around comes around.

Granny....most of the time I read your posts and think, what a sensible person you are...sadly however your latest offerings do not fall into that category.....how can you possibly say that anywhere in this country is not a hot spot for terrorists..recent events have proved they "sleep" in the unlikeliest of places....furthermore the law graduate who quoted article whatever to a policeman who presumably, to use your words "in a similar situation" was doing the job he was trained for by asking legitimate questions about a person who as in a gang at around five o'clock in the morning, in my opinion is nothing but a wise arse...how would you feel granny if the person initially involved in this post had been in the area of your home and allowed to stroll around without question by the police and then broke into your property and stole irreplaceable sentimental items or even worse, caused physical injury to yourself or one of you family.....would the police then be seen to be negligent in their duty or would you be saying "I'm sick of seeing young people being trampled"

I think the more pro active the police are the better. We are turning in a country where you can do what you like without consequence. I would like to see more police on the streets just to police people swearing in front of kids, leaving their dog sh!t on the streets that my kids walk through, giving people three points on their licence when they park on zig zags which is so infuriating because it is dangerous and make people think about their behaviour.

Regarding the lad in the incident... I have never been arrested, charged or been convicted of anything but the few times I have been "assisted" by the police I have never told the whole entire truth about the incident when I have told my family or friends. We can only speculate but I doubt an officer would risk a career in this day and age just to rough a lad up when there is CCTV in and out of the cars and probably some up in irby village. I can imagine that the lad took offence (if he wasn't looking dodgy) at being questioned. The usual responses where probably given "why don't you look for murders" etc etc which for all he knew theft might off been looking for someone at 5am who matched his description who had a history of violence... The police are isolated and then are met with a barrage of abuse refusal to identify himself which is a requirement unlike other agency's like border force and aggressive behaviour, what should they do? Ok lad on ya way. My dealings with police is quite good etc. I have always been polite and had a good laugh with them because they are trying to do a hard job and face not going home every day of their lives to protect us.

Police ask you a question and you respond by asking then if you are obliged to answer?

Why?

Just tell them what they want to know and be on your way.

Your son was being a smart arse plain and simple.

Maybe I'm old school and will do anything for an easy life unlike the emerging young 'I know my rights' brigade.

Spot on and straight to the point!

Just answer the questions and they will be on their way. If you have nothing to hide why are you bothered

It seems to me that a number of posts are judging against the original post. Which stated, he was walking at 5 am, with a cup of coffee and his music on. He asked if he had to answer all the questions. If that's how it was, in my opinion it does NOT give justification for the response he got.
That to me, seems a fair question. According to many, he's proabably not telling the truth, he must have given the officers a barrage of abuse, he's a smart arse, he's asking for trouble, the list goes on. The response on here is like Chinese whispers.
Don't think I'd like too many on a jury. You haven't even heard the evidence.
As it happens, my daughter's house was broken into at 8.30am on a Sunday morning, and she was held up at knifepoint in her bed while they robbed her and her friends belongings. Two of them, one in one bedroom and another in my daughter's room. That doesn't mean to say I suspect everyone who is walking about at 8.30am on a Sunday morning.Neither does it mean I suspect every younger person to be up to no good.
So far, we have heard nothing from the police. ..4 years ago now.

Judging by my sons account he wasnt particularly being a smart arse but even if he was for a police officer to use violence in that case is still out of order.
https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights
Whats wrong with knowing and exercising your rights. They are even posted on the Governments website.

Its not a case of being trampled, its them doing their job.

This thread is now boring.

Write your letter "dear police, my son was skulking around at 5am and when approached by police he was cocky and questioned whether he had to answer their questions"

Ffs... Drop it. Move on.

That's not a very nice remark to make. I'm sure members will do as they please, they don't need such polite guidance!