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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
So you said.....a month ago.


clap That is very true, so what's the answer to my question then? help

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People who are selling houses never say, 2 bedrooms and a boxroom. They bill it as a 3 bedroom because they get more for it. If it's got a bed it's a bedroom and it's not a bedroom tax anyway. It's to try and get large families into appropriate properties and smaller families into appropriate properties but depending on which side of the fence you flop is where your opinions will be, and that's what it is, an opinion.


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Originally Posted by BandyCoot
It's to try and get large families into appropriate properties and smaller families into appropriate properties
Not working out that way though, is it?? 3 bedroomed properties lying empty and boarded up. No/very few small properties for the under-occupied to move into.

The smaller properties in social housing tend to be offered to the 'over 55s'. Private landlords tend to charge higher rents thus not reducing the housing benefits bill but in-fact increasing it.

Also, bear in mind that 90% of working age H.B recipients (who are not disabled- two thirds of those affected are disabled) are in some form of work.The single largest group of people under-occupying social housing are pensioners who are exempt from bedroom tax.

Using the bedroom tax 'criteria' do any Wiki members know of anybody currently living in over-crowded properties, in Wirral?

_Steve_ -there is no legal definition of what a bedroom is. The Housing Act 1985 says that rooms used for the purpose of sleeping in shared housing (Bedsit land) must be above ?? sq feet but this is not accepted by all Judges in Tribunals, although appeals have been won on the grounds of bedroom size.

As Bandy says, there is a lot of subjection depending on peoples personal and political viewpoints. We could discuss it 'til the cows come home as evidenced by 61 pages of differing views here. Personally, I would rather spend my time continuing to fight for its abolishment. smile

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The bedroom tax criteria that I referred to in an earlier post-who knows anybody who can 'fill' a 3 bed house- who are deemed as 'overcrowded' Where are these people- in Wirral?
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for any wph tenants: included in your council statements received there is an article outlining this predicament of bedroom tax

CATEGORY BEDROOM REQUIREMENT
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Single Person over 15 *********** Can have their own bedroom
Adult Couple *********** Should share a bedroom
Two children under 10 *********** Should share a bedroom
Two children 10-15 of same gender*** Should share a bedroom
Two children 10-15 of different
gender ********** Can have seperate b/rooms
Non resident o/night carer******* Can have a bedroom
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ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES
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Parents with access to children but who are not the childrens main carer

Couples who sleep in seperate bedrooms for whatever reason

Foster Children

Two children 10-15 of the same gender

Disabled children

Disabled Adults

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Taken from the WPH Money Matters Summer 2012

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Where are all these over-occupied families?
Last year Magenta (wph) had 33 void 3 bed properties. Now Magenta have 163 void 3 bed properties

Source: FOI request
Will probably be on their website.

In the meantime W.B.C can offer 0.7% of the demand for one beds.

Source: FOI request
Me again-writing in 2013.Due an update- me thinks.

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Screw the bedroom Tax!! .. What will they tax next? as there will be more cuts am sure of it.

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If they could, they would tax you on the air you breath

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Loved this , the first time round, will try and get the night as an A/L ,so i can go ,Sad that it STILL is an issue, the discussion will be good .Only a young woman then , will understand it more now.

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Its a shame that the Wirral campaign feels the need to use London facts and figures in their flyer. Some more local facts and figures would be better.

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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Its a shame that the Wirral campaign feels the need to use London facts and figures in their flyer. Some more local facts and figures would be better.
Renting a 2 bedroom flat in London costs 1,250 a month thats private landlord.Its impossible to compare the facts and figures here.
London wages are much higher as well.

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The Tory plan to hit 515,000 social housing pensioners with the bedroom tax


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Went to see this film last week with eldest daugther and son-in-law.A lot of the issues REMAIN....The discussion after was very good , ALSO THE 'INJUSTICE 'of the GOVERMENT WITH REFERANCE TO SANCTIONS....

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