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Not read any recent posts. Discussed at TUC meeting tonight: Rock Ferry High School- VACANT- - has 90 odd classrooms and kitchen facilities able to feed 1800 people.

Cole Street school- central Birkenhead- also another 'vacant' building.....also has faciloties for sanitary/ sanctuary and food provision.

Also, a farm (?) somewhere near Landican- again dorm/ kitchen/ sanitary conditions???

We DO have the space!!!!

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Originally Posted by snowhite
Saw in the news that refugees have started to sail over in pure daylight.Piled into large dingies.
One boat was full of Afgan refugees
Eh? Meaning what, exactly? #flummoxed

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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by organiser
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As far as the need for food banks, the latest figures from the Trussell Trust show a 19% year-on-year increase in food bank use, demonstrating that hunger and poverty continue to affect large numbers of people in our country, including rising numbers of low-paid workers.

The trust’s 445 food banks distributed enough emergency food to feed almost 1.1 million people for three days in 2014-15 – up from 913,000 the previous year"
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Is this a fair question?



So far as food banks are concerned, it tends to be the people who receive help from them (and others) would take this as their 'right'. Having said it before, it is not their 'right', it is provided by the public, many of them pensioners with compassion for those who are in need.
WHO said they have a right to a Foodbank Voucher?? The vouchers are not distributed willy-nilly. Evidence is required from the applicant to the distributing centre.

I have accompanied several vulnerable people/ families to collect Foodbank food, as part of my role- yer, the 'parcel' contains staple foods- pasta, rice- enough to keep somebody alive but hardly 'pleasurable' food. The items are just like 'random'- bag of rice and a tin of peaches?? Not ingredients to make a meal with!!!

Another staple seems to be Spam in a tub. Or as one of my Muslim clients said 'pig in a tin'- devout Muslims will never eat Spam!

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I see Christian values as a basic set of rules granny, all religions have similar rules, lets take thou shall not kill, as you say isn't that a bit hypocritical, all religions have been killing in their name over the centuries and have committed some heinous crimes, basically to force others to believe that their religion is the only true one, This government is hypocritical bleating about compassion and looking after those less fortunate on the world stage, but doesn't practice that at home, in fact has gone out of its way to attack the very fabric of our society, they only see money as their god, so in fact we are all hypocrites to a degree, we only believe what part of anything that suits us, it is human nature (the pack mentality)to look after your own first and foremost, and unfortunately amongst those refugees roaming Europe their will be those that believe their religion is the only true one and would wish to do us harm, so perhaps you can understand the reluctance of some of us to be Christian.

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While understanding the horror of seeing the body of the young boy washed up on the beach and the sympathy shown by many for the plight of the refugees I have a few questions to ask

1....Why is the same compassion and the call for urgent need for action to help these people not shown in the case of the homeless and destitute people in our own country?
2....What guarantee do we have that we are not opening our borders to ISIS terrorists coming in under the guise of refugees.?
3....What checks will be made in relation to criminal records?
Just three questions to start with but there are many more which should be asked before we extend the compassion to refugees which we don't show in many instances to our own people

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People will turn to cannibalism if they are starving Rude, so I don't think it would take much to scoff a tin of spam if the need arose, they would just have to forgo the 17 virgins for not being a martyr.

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Not read any recent posts. Discussed at TUC meeting tonight: Rock Ferry High School- VACANT- - has 90 odd classrooms and kitchen facilities able to feed 1800 people.

Cole Street school- central Birkenhead- also another 'vacant' building.....also has faciloties for sanitary/ sanctuary and food provision.

Also, a farm (?) somewhere near Landican- again dorm/ kitchen/ sanitary conditions???

We DO have the space!!!!



No we don't have the space.
It's bad enough now trying to get a doctor's appointment.
There aren't enough beds in hospitals now for people already here.
There would be more strain on everything,schools would be more over crowded then they are now already .
More being given out in benefits for these people.
The country is already stretched to the limit.
Youngsters don't get help into the work place as there aren't any apprenticeships any more.
Too many work places are giving jobs to minorities so as to not look prejudiced.
This country needs to look after its own first,those that where on here and pay taxes.

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
[quote=granny][quote=organiser].

I have accompanied several vulnerable people/ families to collect Foodbank food, as part of my role- yer, the 'parcel' contains staple foods- pasta, rice- enough to keep somebody alive but hardly 'pleasurable' food. The items are just like 'random'- bag of rice and a tin of peaches?? Not ingredients to make a meal with!!!

Another staple seems to be Spam in a tub. Or as one of my Muslim clients said 'pig in a tin'- devout Muslims will never eat Spam!


Exactly what I was saying !!!! People complaining and expecting more than donations offer. Therefore, criticizing the good nature of the donors.


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Originally Posted by casper
so perhaps you can understand the reluctance of some of us to be Christian.


Well Casper, nobody expects any one to be aligned to any particular faith group but we do expect they could acknowledge the reason why they are proud to call this a Christian country'

Anyway, that aside, I see this country as multi-cultural and secular ,definitely no longer Christian and that should please many, but with that in mind we also have to be aware that in being a secular country, the law has to encompass all religious groups.


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Originally Posted by SUExx
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No we don't have the space.
It's bad enough now trying to get a doctor's appointment.
There aren't enough beds in hospitals now for people already here.
There would be more strain on everything,schools would be more over crowded then they are now already .
More being given out in benefits for these people.
The country is already stretched to the limit.
Youngsters don't get help into the work place as there aren't any apprenticeships any more.
Too many work places are giving jobs to minorities so as to not look prejudiced.
This country needs to look after its own first,those that where on here and pay taxes.

I think SueXX, there is space in places. Other parts of the country are in a very different situation to sleepy Wirral, I don't think we really understand how bad it is elsewhere and I say 'bad' because it is just that, with illegal immigrants. However, we also have to know that during WW11 we took 250,000 Belgiums alone from that small country , apart from many others and if we can try to understand that we are again helping a people from a war zone, then we can probably do more to help.

It is the illegals who are the problem, and can tend to spoil it for everyone but Afghanistan is also a war torn country as Iraq, and as Turkey is now becoming involved the camps housing the Syrian refugees are under threat too ,The same in Lebanon, so we have all these nationalities in one bundle coming to the west and to decipher who is good or bad, well that's the chance we have to take, on behalf of Mr Blair and Mr Bush.

America are to take 10,000 (big of them) but it could take up to two years to process each of them for security reason ! I doubt that Europe will be so rigorous and therefore we could have ISIS members amongst the 100,000's of thousands, it's already been stated that is what will happen.

We are fortunate in the fact that, the refugees coming here will be from the camps and will be children and other less fortunate groups. We have to help when there is a humanitarian crisis, and our own services could be stretched more, but 20,000 over 5 yrs is not really going to impact so noticeably, although I do believe the numbers will be increased. Surely we can't stand by and do nothing. This is a war and isn't that what safe countries do at such times......give refuge ?

If they were your children, would you not be begging the world to help ?


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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
We DO have the space!!!!


We certainly do. You could demolish that old shell of a factory at Cavendish street - Google Streetview link here: http://tinyurl.com/q6hbo9k - and put a full refugee camp in its place.

The problem is we don't have the infrastructure to support them. Cuts in services have really cut to the bone. Now if the UN could provide doctors, food, water, clothing and all the other necessities, that wouldn't be a problem.

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"to decipher who is good or bad, well that's the chance we have to take,"

Sorry Granny that is not the chance I am prepared to support in the current situation with worldwide threats from organisations like ISIS

What a brilliant opportunity for ISIS to flood this country with little or no security checks on who is allowed to cross our borders as we "welcome" thousands of people from areas where ISIS has a stronghold

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Oh my goodness ! Has anyone seen this video on the news this morning?

Migrant crisis: People treated 'like animals' in Hungary camp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34216883


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I should have said Christian values, the good Samaritan, you are spot on with the tin of spam, to turn their noses up at the good will and generosity of those that contributed shows how grateful some are, maybe I appreciate the generosity but my religion doesn't allow me to eat pork would have sounded better than pig in a tin.

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Originally Posted by organiser
"to decipher who is good or bad, well that's the chance we have to take,"

Sorry Granny that is not the chance I am prepared to support in the current situation with worldwide threats from organisations like ISIS

What a brilliant opportunity for ISIS to flood this country with little or no security checks on who is allowed to cross our borders as we "welcome" thousands of people from areas where ISIS has a stronghold


Yes Organiser, it is a brilliant opportunity for them, but how else can we give refuge ? You obviously think we should not house any refugees, but don't forget, once the 800,000 plus register in any other EU countries they can go wherever they want. So, it IS A CHANCE WE HAVE TO TAKE. You can't put all the blame on one Government and try to make a meal for your own benefit, out of a tragic situation for millions.


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