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They are criminals - the 18 people that were prosecuted have now got criminal records because they committed a criminal act.

Littering has not been de-criminalised but there is an immunity from prosecution if you have paid a fixed price notice.

It is legally wrong to litter, it is morally wrong to litter, the council is doing its best to discourage people from littering.

I'm fed up watching people dumping their McDonald's food and rubbish etc openly all over the place as though they have got a god given right to do it, then to add insult to injury I have to pay for it to be cleaned up.

You seem to think like a toff sometimes DD. In my eyes a criminal offence cannot be neutralised with a cash payment.It is or it is not no ifs no buts, this befuddled thinking is what gets us in a pickle.People who have a genuine reason to challenge the decision of the charge will not. This is then a miscarriage of natural justice which is going down faster than the crime figures for Wirral.

What i find farcical about getting fined for cigarette butts is that if i were to drop the butt of a cigar I would in essence be fined for dropping a leaf. Something i often do when i empty my pockets after cutting a hedge or bush.
Throwing confetti (paper or rice) is potentially littering --so maybe the litter police would like to wait outside a church or registry office.

Maybe there should be an exemption for people who do not use filters (roll there own) as basically its a leaf and a bit of confetti

Can't win can you - people say you shouldn't get a criminal record for dropping a small amount of litter, the system changes to make it possible to avoid a criminal record then someone comes along and says the new system is wrong.

I don't understand the toff statement - I believe people shouldn't litter public places and that a £60 fine/penalty is a reasonable deterrent, is that thinking like a toff?


In the past, some churches have been told that they must clean up confetti if it outside their premises. Celebrating some poor sod getting married seems a strange thing to do anyway

I was thinking in more general terms but including litter. It should not be a criminal offence, only for someone who perceives the authority to be wrong and challenges the accuser. My point was It should or should not be a criminal offence. Fines are not a punishment for people with pots of money.(toffs) I have quoted Michael Winner on here before saying "It only costs sixty quid to drive in the bus lane" I would prefer the criminal offence be dropped and people having recourse to justice without the implied threat of criminality.

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As a matter of interest, how does this enforcement come into effect with young school children, young teenagers and university/college students ? Two out of the three will certainly have no money to pay any fines. Let's give them a criminal record before they even set off in life, should we ?

Maybe backs are meant to be turned in such cases, which makes a complete mockery of the whole fiasco.

Unfortunately ,I can see a few punches being delivered before it goes much further.

Yes,... to no litter louts, but lets hope a proper procedure can be worked out , rather than Litter Police being given hiked up bonuses for every catch they make, and then it's regained by fines of disproportionate amounts.

penalty notices may be issued to children aged 10 or over, as well as to adults.

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Environmental Enforcement Officer

Wirral Borough Council<br>
£7.53 per hour plus per performance bonus for meeting monthly job roles of up to £500 per month.

^Extract from Marks post^

(Partly satire for those who do not know me).

Now, if I was an Environmental Enforcement Officer wanting a Bonus of £500 then I would head to populated areas, not rocket science is it? I would keep my eye on those pesky smokers and mums with babies/ toddlers who *fingers crossed* will drop a Sausage Roll!!! Kerching! Kerching!!

To do my job correctly, I could head to Church Road, St. Pauls Road area in Seacombe. Plenty of dog mess about there, also discarded chippy papers, pizza boxes, cans, chocolate and crisp wrappers too. The thing is, the pedestrian flow is not that high and I would be hanging about looking conspicuous, wearing my laminate...nowhere for me to hide

I could head up to Poulton Road, near Somerville Primary School. Crap on the pavements, in each direction for at least a third of a mile. Do I collar that 10 year old?? (What about my Bonuses)??

Nobody cares about outside of 'business areas'- as long as our retail centres look attractive!?

Look at Liverpool- the pierhead in particular. Clean as a whistle in central/ tourist areas- rest of the City is a shithole.

Sorry, can you reword that sentence as I'm finding too many ways of interpreting it and I have a feeling none of them is what you intended (probably my bad). Though I will mention you can appeal an littering FPN without it going criminal whichever way the outcome - and you can maintain the early payment discount.

I've not expressed my opinion on whether littering should or should not be a criminal offence, the following are just thoughts ....

Under the rehabilitation of offenders act (ROA) a fine is classed as spent one year after the offence is committed, so if littering were always a criminal offence you are not a criminal for life (except for security purposes eg VISA applications and certain employments).

If it is never a criminal offence then the Michael Winner example shows it might not work - just pay it and carry on taking the p1ss.

I guess my take is that if you are legally punished over any anti-social event you took an active role in then it should be a criminal matter - that is what the criminal system is there for. I do not understand why speeding (an active offence) is not a criminal offence whilst being drunk in charge of a vehicle (a passive offence) is criminal.

The be all and end all is that if you don't want to be a criminal then don't commit the offence.

Apparently; In the case of an offender between the ages of 10 and 16, the order for payment must be made against the parent or guardian.

Well, if I had a child aged 10 , I'd be very upset to find out, that in this day and age ,someone who they did not know had taken his/her name and address. How can the children check if these people are genuine or not. They don't even look particularly smart or respectable from what I've seen.

It seems to go against all the things children are to be wary of. Only a matter of time before unsavoury characters will pay for such things. CRB checks don't necessarily cover such practices in dark corners.
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It's called a D.B.S check now Granny, lets face it- D.B.S checks are only as relevent and current as the day they were distributed.

It says CRB in the job description, but whatever, just another money spinner.

Do you still get the £7.53 an hour if you dont FPN anyone and simply ask them to pick it up and bin it.

Im sure you would.
What i was suprised to read the hours are from 7am - 8pm.

The only saving grace with the dark nights, is the camera quality is going to alot more restricted. So i would be asking for proof from the camera recording.