WikiWirral values you and your opinion.
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,416
Posts1,033,605
Members14,720
Most Online21,357
Oct 2nd, 2024
Who's Online Now
7 members (2228a, 1 invisible), 15,610 guests, and 597 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,269
granny 17,802
_Ste_ 16,347
Newest Members
OGGavlaa, Monty_Stubble, Eloramae, CalH64, kriswillis
14,720 Registered Users
New General Forums
Last person to post wins...
by GaryB - 9th Oct 2007 8:15pm
New Wirral History
Slavery Wirral
by granny - 14th Jul 2023 1:15pm
735 Grand Hotel / Royal Marine, New Brighton
by Norton - 8th Feb 2014 6:53pm
Cole Street school
by derekdwc - 30th Jul 2013 3:52pm
A Postcard from New Brighton
by Norton - 18th Apr 2012 3:21pm
Top Posters(30 Days)
JunxinH 16
_Ste_ 3
Topic Replies
A Postcard from New Brighton
by gregory66 - 31st Oct 2024 11:33am
Jorvik mt11 trike
by Dilly - 28th Oct 2024 12:41pm
Mersey Barrage
by diggingdeeper - 24th Oct 2024 10:43am
Slavery Wirral
by diggingdeeper - 24th Oct 2024 10:02am
Ash Brook? Maybe.
by Excoriator - 21st Oct 2024 4:59pm
Is there such a place as Dacre Hill
by joney - 20th Oct 2024 9:05am
Flooding at...yes you guessed it.
by diggingdeeper - 19th Oct 2024 8:33am
Free Two Seater Sofa/couch
by gerry1 - 16th Oct 2024 6:23pm
Cole Street school
by diggingdeeper - 14th Oct 2024 9:19am
October
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
Top Likes Received
bert1 14
Mark 4
casper 4
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,269
Likes: 4
Mark Offline OP
Wiki Master
OP Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,269
Likes: 4
Like this one today 9:30am lol

Attached Images
20150919_090906_wm.jpg
Google Ads
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,044
Forum Guardian
Offline
Forum Guardian
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,044
Originally Posted by Mark
Like this one today 9:30am lol
yes indeed the one on the corner of tollemache and speedwell

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,024
Forum Guide
Offline
Forum Guide
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,024
If they cut down the trees around some of the street lighting, then the money saved in electricity by the street lights only working from dusk to dawn could help to cut the £3million spend on led street lights

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,269
Likes: 4
Mark Offline OP
Wiki Master
OP Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,269
Likes: 4
They are so much better.

Attached Images
20150920_003841_wm.jpg 20150920_004349_wm.jpg
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
They seem to be concentrating on the wider roads at the moment, they are impressive aren't they? The speed of roll out is equally impressive.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
£55 a year is about 15p a day.

I expect the council is paying about 4p a kWh (wholesale) for its juice, so they would have to save about 4kWh a day.

If the lights are on for 12 hours this is about a third of a kWh per hour. In other words, the LEDs would have to take 330W less than the existing lights.

This seems implausible to me, but I guess they can switch the LEDs off completely in the wee small hours, as well as dimming them the rest of the time.

I'm glad they've started installing them however. I wonder how far from the centre of Birkenhead they will get before they've blown all the cash?

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
One council states their street lights (non-led) electrickery costs between £40-£80 a year each depending on size and another works out at an average £70 a year. Scotland as a whole averages at £46 each.

I'm still waiting to see the smaller side road lamps after seeing the abysmal older Woodchurch Lane LEDs.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Yes, the Woodchurh lane ones really are appalling.

I was interested to learn Liverpool has decided to switch to LEDs. I have a good view of Liverpool from my home but can't see much evidence of it yet. It is the usual galaxy of horrible orange for the most part

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Yes, the Woodchurh lane ones really are appalling.

I was interested to learn Liverpool has decided to switch to LEDs. I have a good view of Liverpool from my home but can't see much evidence of it yet. It is the usual galaxy of horrible orange for the most part

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
I wonder if this contract covers maintenance of these new lamps? Led's have a long life, but their brightness degrades with time.

We will be seeing them now at their best and brightest, but how good will they be after 10,000 hours of use, which at 12 hours a day is only about two and a quarter years? They may have gone down to between 50% and 70%. This is in theory hardly noticeable, but only time will tell whether it really is.

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
The LED system they are fitting doesn't put them up to full power initially, as they get older and dimmer they increase the power to offset the ageing.

I was comparing two very similar long, wide roads tonight, one with LED and the other with recent high pressure sodium. They are comparable, maybe the LED just has the edge light and colour wise but there isn't that much in it. I'll try and photograph both with the same camera settings sometime, I have a feeling a camera will show a bigger difference than my eyesight perceives.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Is there any published plan of where these new lights are to be deployed?

If not, why not?

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,423
Likes: 25
Originally Posted by Excoriator
Is there any published plan of where these new lights are to be deployed?

If not, why not?


That would involve Wirral Council communicating openly, its hard enough to get information out the Council that they are legally obliged to provide.

You could put a Freedom of Information request in to them on the FOI site, on their usual track record they will answer late and even then may claim immunity or just answer a different question from what you ask.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
What a cynic you are!

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Forum Addict
Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,885
Likes: 4
Noticed them on the road from Spital dam to lower Bebington (Bromborough road??) the other evening. They were quite impressive and gave a good clear white light.

Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Ash Brook? Maybe.
by Excoriator - 5th Oct 2024 1:10pm
Is there such a place as Dacre Hill
by Excoriator - 3rd Oct 2024 10:51am
Flooding at...yes you guessed it.
by Excoriator - 30th Sep 2024 3:33pm
Mersey Barrage
by Excoriator - 20th Sep 2024 9:43am
mattress scam
by robin47 - 28th Jun 2024 5:53pm
For Sale & Free
Jorvik mt11 trike
by Dilly - 27th Oct 2024 2:49pm
Free Two Seater Sofa/couch
by gerry1 - 9th Oct 2024 2:43pm
Member Spotlight
Dilly
Dilly
wallasey
Posts: 8,975
Joined: July 2011
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Ash Brook? Maybe.
by Excoriator - 5th Oct 2024 1:10pm
Is there such a place as Dacre Hill
by Excoriator - 3rd Oct 2024 10:51am
Flooding at...yes you guessed it.
by Excoriator - 30th Sep 2024 3:33pm
Mersey Barrage
by Excoriator - 20th Sep 2024 9:43am
News : New Topics
mattress scam
by robin47 - 28th Jun 2024 5:53pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Popular Topics(Views)
5,311,112 WIKI WALK CHAT
4,208,935 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5