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Here is a short tree,

John Ziegler married Jane Smollet, 1795
William henry Ziegler their son married Mary Hastings, 1846
All their children are above, post, 1085484

No, William Henry, 1856 and John Hastings, 1851, had these parents,

Marriage,
ZIEGLER William H, HASTINGS Mary 1846 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

That's brilliant, thank you! So Jane and William had William Junior and John Hastings in 1856 and 1851.

Various census have, merchants, shipowners, etc. top earners.

To vent a drain waste or sewer. I wonder if something drained into the Brook?

Thanks, it did sound hollow when I tapped it but obviously I couldn't get high enough to see if the top was open or had holes in it. What would it be a vent for in the middle of the woods by a brook?

I know where you mean now opposite Bidston Court, when you look at the old map of Eleanor Road they must have been huge houses and well to do people of the time.

The Priory was towards Vyner Rd,

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zo...3.07545&layers=168&b=1&o=100

The first census Weldon appears on is the 1901. I'm leaning towards the Bishops House Reverend John Carroll lived and died at was not Weldon. Still trying to find out when it became known as Bishops House.

A Conveyance dated 25 March 1895 made between (1) Robert Charles De
Grey Vyner (Vendor) and (2) Thomas Nimmo Philip (Purchaser) contains
covenants details of which are set out in the schedule of restrictive
covenants hereto.

A Conveyance of the land in this title and other land dated 1 July 1897
made between (1) Robert Charles De Grey Vyner and (2) Thomas Dash
Philip contains contains covenants.

So looks like it was built after 1897 at least.

Wow! £20,000

Tried to get on the British Newspapers online let me view 3 documents then no more.

Spoke to the Surveyor who has no photos but will try and get hold of developers daughter who lived in the house previously.

The was also a house called the priory in Bidston, once owned by Bibby's dont think its the same one though.

The pillar looks like a stench pipe (Vent)

A house through time.

Liverpool Daily Post, November, 1971,

.. executive A FINE family house the wooded slopes Bidston Hill well suited to a city executive or professional man is on offer at £19750 through Ramos M c h and Company Heswall Weldon Eleanor Road Bidston sited in about one acre land is screened trees and ...

Hi all! I've just been walking by Prenton Brook in Barnston Dale & it was beautiful. I followed what I thought was a path from Holmwood Drive to Lower Heath Wood. Now I've got back & checked Open Street Map I don't think there is a public path there, I think it may be a boundary line? It's criminal that it's not supposed to be for the public as it's so beautiful and I love to walk by a river/brook. Does anybody know who actually owns that land/wood? Also, as I was walking, I passed two poles with fancy (ish) tops that looked quite old (pictures attached). Does anyone know what they are? One was as you first reached the brook and the second was a little further on. Thanks.

Nothing dodgy, I live there now and just doing a bit of research.

I use Ancestry Worldwide, subscription required, though I'm usually chasing people not properties, it does have many directories, Electoral rolls, census, etc which is a great help. FamilySearch is free and also a useful tool.
British Newspapers online, I haven't got a subscription but you can fiddle some information for free.
Find My Past is similar to Ancestry and hold some different records, I sometimes take out a months subscription if needed.

If your not aware, most libraries offer access to Ancestry or FMP if you book, I think it's free.

Wirral Archives and Birkenhead library hold many records and are a brilliant source of information.

Can I ask, why the interest in Bishops House? don't answer if it's private.

Can you give me some tips on how to get access to the archives etc of where you get your information from.

Some good reading on this site though to be honest.

I am going to try and get hold of the builder to see if he has any photos before it was demolished.

From the looks of the plans the outline of the original building is superimposed on the new layout and it covers the two properties built on the from in 2002.

The original house was huge

Both Cotton Merchants, no doubt both doing business in the states.

Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Jane Smollett HASTINGS 1849 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER John Hastings HASTINGS 1851 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Alexander Charles HASTINGS 1853 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER William Henry HASTINGS 1856 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Mary HASTINGS 1858 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER George William HASTINGS 1861 Woodchurch Wirral

Children of William Henry Ziegler and Laura Hamilton Paton.

All with surname Ziegler and mothers maiden name, Paton.


Guy Hamilton, 1883, New York, USA.
Alice Mary, 1888, Birkenhead
Ralph Paton, 1890, Birkenhead.
Frances Isabel Hamilton, 1891, Birkenhead.
Marjory Hastings, 1894, Birkenhead.

Marriages, 1700-1850

ZEIGLER
ALEXANDER
ANNE ZEIGLER/FR5909 (FR5909)
15/05/1819
685 / 2
200 / 225
St Cuthbert's
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ZEIGLER
JOHN
JEAN SMOLLET/FR4363 (FR4363)
25/06/1795
685 / 3
160 / 122
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ZEIGLER
ANNE
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/FR5909 (FR5909)
15/05/1819
685 / 2
200 / 225
St Cuthbert's
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ZEIGLER
CHARLOTTE
ROBERT THOMSON/FR2235 (FR2235)
05/02/1795
685 / 1
520 / 185
Edinburgh

Children born between 1700-1850, (Scotlands People)

Surname Forename Parents/Other details Gender Birth Date Parish Number Ref Parish
ZEIGLER
WILLIAM HENRY
JOHN ZEIGLER/JANE SMOLLET FR64 (FR64)
M
20/04/1820
685 / 2
330 / 102
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ZEIGLER
SMOLLETT RANKI
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/ANN ZEIGLER FR111 (FR111)
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28/05/1821
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330 / 196
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ZEIGLER
ALEXANDER
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOUDEN FR3304 (FR3304)
M
15/07/1796
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120 / 228
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ZEIGLER
ALEXANDER
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKIN FR3347 (FR3347)
M
05/02/1798
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ZEIGLER
GEORGE
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLETT RANKINE FR3713 (FR3713)
M
30/06/1809
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130 / 414
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ZEIGLER
JAMES
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/ANN DOUGLAS FR8529 (FR8529)
M
03/08/1766
685 / 1
320 / 107
Edinburgh
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ZEIGLER
JOHN
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKIN FR3516 (FR3516)
M
15/06/1803
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130 / 20
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ZEIGLER
ANN
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOWDON FR3154 (FR3154)
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27/11/1792
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110 / 516
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ZEIGLER
JANE SMOLLET
JOHN ZEIGLER/JANE SMOLLET RANKINE FR3874 (FR3874)
F
09/10/1813
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140 / 60
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ZEIGLER
JANET
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLETT RANKIN FR3794 (FR3794)
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02/11/1811
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JANET
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOWDEN FR3250 (FR3250)
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29/09/1794
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ZEIGLER
JANET CLEGHORN
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKINE FR4028 (FR4028)
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12/08/1817
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MARJORY
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKEN FR3301 (FR3301)
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02/06/1796
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That's interesting, I haven't heard of the Shaftesbury Boys Club - whereabouts was that, and when did you go? I wonder where the Zieglers came from and how they were all related - they seemed to live in various roads such as Cearns, Grosvenor, Shrewsbury, Bidston and Talbot. So, Aspinall died and J H Ziegler replaced him in 1891? So, in terms of the various family members of the Zieglers I have:

William Henry Ziegler - born in 1856/7 - died in 1896 - was married to Laura Paton Hamilton who apparently lived at no. 54 Bidston Road for a while.

John Hasting Ziegler - born in 1851 - married Charlotte Evastaphiev - WAS JOHN BROTHER TO WILLIAM?

Alexander C Ziegler - born 1883, Charlotte Ziegler - born 1886, John Hasting Ziegler - born 1889 and Edith Ziegler - born 1890 - so all children of John H Ziegler Snr and Charlotte Evastaphiev?

Did William and Laura have children does anyone know? Also, quite a coincidence that both William and John married North Americans.

Bus intentionally crashed down a snowy hill https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2...nd-schools-closed-as-snow-hits-yorkshire

What a calamity of errors by all parties, how can this happen in this day and age?

Bus company should have risk assessments and procedures for roads like this, the bus should not have been going down this road.

Council should have gritted the hilly bus route, there was plenty of weather notice.

Driver should not have attempted to take a bus down this hill, even chains would have been risky.

3/3 fail.

The very same as above Derek, married to Charlotte.

When I used to go to Shaftesbury Boys Club in Birkenhead one of the 'houses' there was called Ziegler

1891
Aspinall dies and is replaced as President in the following year by J. H. Ziegler, a cotton broker who is one of the club's benefactors.