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venice #1008381 29th Apr 2016 12:43pm
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I wouldn't like to muzzle Misty.As some of you know,she's diabetic & has cataracts she has sight but not very good.If she was muzzled & an unmuzzled dog came rushing at her she would feel threatened as she doesn't know what it's going to do.I use the canny collar which I find really good.she's a 42kilo dog & strong but that gives me total control even if a yapper comes charging at her.Kids should be taught to respect dogs like us they have their off days or may be nervous,it's about being a responsible owner,alot of problems with dogs come from bybs only care about money not health or temperament of the dog.


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Dogs are hundreds of times more adaptable than humans, look at the dogs with wheels for back legs, look at new born pups - they both adapt in a day.

If the people that call themselves responsible owners don't give a little on things like muzzles then eventually there will be a blanket ban on dogs in public.

The other problem we have is that humans (including various dog organisations) refuse to acknowledge that many breeds of dogs have not been humanised/domesticised fully and still have an inbuilt hierarchical pack structure. If humans don't administer corrective punishment on occasions and correctly respond to the dogs dominant/submissive gestures then the dog's natural instincts are left in a confused and unstable state.

It is 100% natural for animals to have fights to establish the pecking order. Bribery in the form of food, gifts or attention are very short term behavioural controls, much longer behavioural controls have to be established by proving the pecking order when a dog shows dominant behaviour.


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alas, a lot of owners are not dog aware, they see a fluffy little pup, not realising it could grow up to be a handful.
socialising is of the utmost importance,
not just other dogs, but people and places, situations where they could get spooked etc,
a dog is like a child, they need boundaries and limitations.
there can be only one pack leader and its not the dog !


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Originally Posted by eggandchips
alas, a lot of owners are not dog aware, they see a fluffy little pup, not realising it could grow up to be a handful.
socialising is of the utmost importance,
not just other dogs, but people and places, situations where they could get spooked etc,
a dog is like a child, they need boundaries and limitations.
there can be only one pack leader and its not the dog !
spot on egg,like my dog they are like little fluffy teddy bears as pups but if not socialised or given boundaries they become a problem & end up in rescue,they also shed the full coat twice a year.Another thing I don't hold with is this cross breeding getting the traits of two separate breeds like Akita/husky one's a hunter one's a sled dog people paying hundreds for a mongrel basically.


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Adding to that, I don't understand anyone paying anything for a dog, there are enough rescue dogs to go round.

Buying a dog at stupid money prices to show how rich you are is the wrong reason to have a dog.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Adding to that, I don't understand anyone paying anything for a dog, there are enough rescue dogs to go round.

Buying a dog at stupid money prices to show how rich you are is the wrong reason to have a dog.
or as a status symbol,my Misty came from the pound & I would take on a rescue again


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
If humans don't administer corrective punishment on occasions


Can you explain what you mean?


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Originally Posted by Capt_America
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
If humans don't administer corrective punishment on occasions


Can you explain what you mean?


I already did but I'm not going to let it get pulled out of context.


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Originally Posted by starakita
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Adding to that, I don't understand anyone paying anything for a dog, there are enough rescue dogs to go round.

Buying a dog at stupid money prices to show how rich you are is the wrong reason to have a dog.
or as a status symbol,my Misty came from the pound & I would take on a rescue again
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Muzzling all dogs in public sherlock does that go for working dog like sheep dogs I think if we looked in to it we'll find that yorkie are the dogs that bite the most, why stop at dogs being muzzled how's about gloves for cats or nappies for pigeons I jest but it would be fun seeing police dogs going after crooks with muzzles on raftl

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Yes Yorkies might possibly come under 'statistically more likely to bite than some', as might Cockers and Kerry blues ,but large Retrievers be excluded. Thats the point, maybe fairer if done statistically.

Cats dont usually go 'claws out' for people, unprovoked and when was someone last knocked senseless by a pile of pigeon poo? grin --but I take your point, its not that easy a line to draw , and there would be a lot of unfairness, but less maimed children .

Sheepdogs tend to work more remotely on private land, and as for police dogs -yes I think maybe they should be an exception in exceptional circumstances like where the target is not amongst other poeple .

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Bottom line is any dog can turn on you no matter what breed they are.
Just like humans.Maybe they have a day they don t feel well or in some sort of discomfort.
For example a kid maybe pull the family dogs tail repeatedly till the dog cannot take anymore and yes it will turn on them.

Police dogs are trained to do there duty same as sniffer dogs to seek for bombs or drugs no need to muzzle them they know who is boss.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
How many injuries and deaths have to happen before some sort of law on compulsory use of muzzles is brought in.

Monday, Noctorum/Woodchurch - 3 year old!

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I hate seeing things like that especially when kids are involved,when the grand kids come round,we always make sure we never leave the dog in the same room alone,not even for a second as much as I trust my dog,why take any chances.


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Originally Posted by snowhite

For example a kid maybe pull the family dogs tail repeatedly till the dog cannot take anymore and yes it will turn on them.

That would be, in my opinion-a classic example of poor dog ownership. Why would anybody allow a child to pull a dogs tail?

My Grand-daughter, not yet 18 months old encounters Our Bert at every visit. She is unsure of him at the moment, sometimes she laughs and giggles, other times she 'hides' from him.

As he is ten times her size (at least), they have only ever really met through the 'baby gate' at the moment.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
How many injuries and deaths have to happen before some sort of law on compulsory use of muzzles is brought in.

Monday, Noctorum/Woodchurch - 3 year old!

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Good point there Van.welcome back,Hope all is ok with you.

I hate seeing things like that especially when kids are involved,when the grand kids come round,we always make sure we never leave the dog in the same room alone,not even for a second as much as I trust my dog,why take any chances.


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