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Many thanks for all the help. Yesterday I read again through Ormerod (Vol 2 relevant chapters) and F.G.Slater and saw a mention that Robert Haworth may have chosen to remain because of his affection for the place despite its traumas and disasters. That would certainly fit with the sentiments of the poem so he could have been the author. I will certainly examine the UCL database but having had a quick look it will take more time than I've got to spare right now. Maybe ths afternoon (fingers crossed).

If you're ever up in that area, Sawley and Whalley Abbeys are well worth a visit. Sawley is free, Whalley is £2.

https://archive.org/stream/historyoforigina00whituoft#page/n9/mode/2up/search/stanlaw
This link (sent by Granny yesterday) mentions newly found (19th C) documents including poems but not the one I'm looking for I don't think. See page 149

Success! Original poem (in Latin) found. Friend from Moreton gave me the source and then it was just a question of poring through it to find what I was looking for. Here is the link for those who are interested: http://www.monasticmatrix.org/MatrixBooks/Dugdale/Volume5/Dugdale-Monasticon%20(Vol.%205%20Part%20099%20Stanlaw%20and%20Whalley).pdf

page 648 No. xvii

I can't get the link. Help !!!

Hi Granny, copy the whole text from http:etc and paste it into the address window. That should work OK. I tested it out and it is correct.

PS Then scroll down to page 648 (nearly at the bottom) and look for item xvii

Good luck

Got it. Fascinating book if we can understand it. What a good find

It doesn't say who wrote it or when. Boo hoo.! Does it translate to the poem we know and share?

My Latin isn't good enough to translate exactly but the sentiment is there. "Christus lapis angularis...." is "cornerstone" for instance. I will have a full translation on Monday next week and I will post up the best I can. Glad you liked it and were able to read it!

This refers to Christ as the Cornerstone of which there are many verses in the Bible. The Cornerstone was the most important stone that kept all in place and Lapis Lazuli was often used when building.
Here are a few of them-

Jesus said to them'Have you not read in the Scriptures 'The stone the builders rejected has become the Cornerstone.Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners,but fellow citizens in the Lord,of the Saints and members of God's household'.

'In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord'.

'Together we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ himself as the chief cornerstone'.

The Bible was not written in Latin but translated into Latin in 4th Century by St Jerome.

The Old Testament was written in Biblical Hebrew apart from a few chapters of Books of Ezra and Daniel and one verse of Jeremiah which was written in Aramaic the language Jesus would have spoken.

Greek was the language of scholarship 50AD to 100AD hence why the New Testament was written in Greek.

No photos yet unfortunately but hopefully here is a scanned drawing of stanlaw in 1723 [img]https://www.flickr.com/photos/19172060@N03/32881629325/in/dateposted-public/[/img]
Not sure how to post up the image but I hope this works. Verbatim translation of the poem coming soon. (I hope!)

Not sure how you do that??!!

Does this say 1727 bottom right hand corner .