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Dilly #1039116 8th Jun 2017 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Dilly
One thing you can guarantee is come this weekend we will have the same useless #### or a different useless ####


Could be even worse Dilly, Friday might bring a coalition!! Imagine Corbyn and maybe the poisoned dwarf!!

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Originally Posted by Dilly
One thing you can guarantee is come this weekend we will have the same useless #### or a different useless ####


It would appear not many of us are satisfied with the main parties, far right, far left, all of the answers are there between them, it's time for a change to the voting and election system, weed out the deadwood( as my old boss used to say) and the self interest, the nepotism, tax evaders, expense abusers,gravy train riders need not apply

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Love the way Corbyn puts on a mini pop gig plus a few celebs, then airbrushes them out to claim big crowds attend to hear him.
I will vote Tory for the first time in my life because there is a job to be done and the present Labour Party although full of "tools" it is not the tool for this job (Brexit). Their is no such thing as a free lunch. The "goody bag"on offer from Labour will shackle the working class to the grindstone for decades, now is not the time.I voted to stay in, but will fight for the best democratic Brexit deal we can get. DieM25 has been launched by Yanis Varoufakis and others it is going to be a long road to sanity so watch your vote, it is PRICELESS.

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Originally Posted by dustymclean
Love the way Corbyn puts on a mini pop gig plus a few celebs, then airbrushes them out to claim big crowds attend to hear him.
I will vote Tory for the first time in my life because there is a job to be done and the present Labour Party although full of "tools" it is not the tool for this job (Brexit). Their is no such thing as a free lunch. The "goody bag"on offer from Labour will shackle the working class to the grindstone for decades, now is not the time.I voted to stay in, but will fight for the best democratic Brexit deal we can get. DieM25 has been launched by Yanis Varoufakis and others it is going to be a long road to sanity so watch your vote, it is PRICELESS.


Dusty, please explain. What is DieM25 and how can that affect us as a nation now ?
I don't really understand the 'whole' , and possibly many more don't either.


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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by dustymclean
Love the way Corbyn puts on a mini pop gig plus a few celebs, then airbrushes them out to claim big crowds attend to hear him.
I will vote Tory for the first time in my life because there is a job to be done and the present Labour Party although full of "tools" it is not the tool for this job (Brexit). Their is no such thing as a free lunch. The "goody bag"on offer from Labour will shackle the working class to the grindstone for decades, now is not the time.I voted to stay in, but will fight for the best democratic Brexit deal we can get. DieM25 has been launched by Yanis Varoufakis and others it is going to be a long road to sanity so watch your vote, it is PRICELESS.


Dusty, please explain. What is DieM25 and how can that affect us as a nation now ?
I don't really understand the 'whole' , and possibly many more don't either.


Just read he's another Marxist.... I always thought his views were that persuasion, but never thought much about him. How these people move in cunning ways.
These are the people I don't understand. His father was chucked in prison for years when they lived in Egypt (as a lot of Greeks did) due to the fact that he wouldn't denounce communism. Then he was sent from Greece to UK to study, because it was too dangerous for him after the Junta years in Greece. Then he ends up as financial adviser or something in the Greek Government, which has always been a democracy. Democracy was born in Greece. Devious shit in my opinion and I hope he's not engaging with that woman ! You know the one ..

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I was hoping people would just Google it and learn more (if interested) than I can say." Democracy in Europe Movement". Yaris makes the point that Europe is run by unelected bureaucrats names names and tells a slightly different time line of events leading up to his resignation from the Greek Government during their crisis.He said when Europe and the Euro go down we will go with it.If you are not far enough away from a sinking ship you get dragged down with it so to speak.I think he is a man of integrity and is sowing the seeds of a Democratic International Party that has one voice.he makes a very credible point that Europe will kill democracy, which Is partly why we have left.

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Greece has not always been a democracy.

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Originally Posted by dustymclean
Greece has not always been a democracy.

Yes, right Dusty, although it has since 1974, to my knowledge.

Which ever way, he's a Marxist and Marxism is the path between Capitalism and Communism. No wonder Russia are happy we are leaving (if they really are) it just means that Europe have more chance of being incorporated into their web many countries back to where they began.




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The biggest loan in History given to a bankrupt country paid for by the tax payers of Europe never to be repaid.Dept on dept and guess where the money went back to?? The price paid was austrity for all and Greek unemployment of 28%.Look it up wise up but please don,t give up.

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Originally Posted by granny
Yes, understand your point from your previous post. Get a council tax assessor in. It might get reduced.


That's the whole point, it can't be reduced below the bottom band and hence why there is a need for more bands.

Originally Posted by dustymclean
On paper you are right. you can.t go lower than the bottom rate.In reality I doubt you will find a bottom rated house that would be big enough to split into four individual flats so rules apply. Flats are separate dwellings. Bedsits that share facilities are not shown on the list as separate dwellings..


They can only be counted as one dwelling where the landlord lives on the premises and there are shared facilities, then they can be guests or lodgers (with virtually no tenant rights). If the landlord does not live on the premises and rents out the bedsits separately even though their are shared facilities, they each pay their own council tax.

Even if its only divided into two flats, it means they are still paying the same as their neighbour for a considerably reduced amenity. There are many examples of "Band A houses" divided into multiple Band A flats on the Wirral.


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Ha ha ! Lady Nugee MP (aka Emily Thornbury), has just been interviewed on BBC..... she was pissed ! Quite amusing laugh


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Ah, great hung parliament
I love to see them squirm
No ones fit to run this mess of a country
May had a zero nerd personality like milliband
I hate them all
Great to see the turmoil

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well I don't share you're glee that's it's a hung parliament Sven, disastrous for the country , its like we're in quicksand sinking deeper and deeper into a mess. Watched Nigel Farage talking before looks like he will be stepping back in to try and stop brexit from backsliding. I know he was UKIP but I wished he'd have been leader of Con or Lab because I think he's quite strong and speaks a lot of sense. God knows what's going to happen now.

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A needless mess brought about by a needless election, the Tories were after complete and utter control to do as they pleased, they placed all their bets on Brexit, completely ignoring all the social and domestic issues we have, well they have learned we are not all one country, we are divided, divided by North and South, divided by the have and have not's, the young have woken up and are beginning to see them for what they are, best to get out your brown leather pantalons Terry, the knives will be out.

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" forget you have freedom of choice, you dont
You have owners ,they own you, politcians are put there to make you think you have choice....land owners big corps wealthy business interests run the country, your courts are bought& paid for years ago...why people vote for these rich **** suckers. I dont know."
George carlin talkn to usa a decade ago. Thats us now

Theres no point voting
The countrys bankcrupt 5 times over
Whoever is in power is treading water
Wait for the next crash
Its comin!!

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