Name one politician with as many supporters as Corbyn, not only do they support him, they are prepared to put their money where their mouths are, a very rare thing for any most parties let alone a single politician.
Blair started as a moderate but went right-wing, this was about the time he got nobbled over sports sponsorship by cigarette companies.
Why does everyone think left-wing means extreme left, Corbyn and momentum do not have extreme left policies, just normal socialism which is more about basic morality than anything else but of course morals and right-wing are not common bedfellows.
If Corbyn is no threat, how come so many people are doing more to discredit him than any other politician in British history? It doesn't add up does it, those in the know realise he is a very real potential leader of the country otherwise they would just let him fizzle out.
They even blame(?) his popularity on the youth vote which has been proven to be untrue (the youths mostly didn't bother voting as usual), his popularity is with those that lived through the Blair and Thatcher years and don't want anything like that again, Corbyn happens to be an available politician to offer decent socialism, that is why he is popular, it is socialism and morality that people want
Even if it had of been youth vote, how can that be anything apart from a democratic result, you can't "blame" it on democratic vote .... but it makes for good propaganda along with all the rest of the garbage they are coming up with.
And mentioning propaganda, that's twice its been implied that I said Frank was right-wing, I have a lot of admiration for Frank, I knew him outside politics, like any other person I don't expect to agree with everything they think but I do think his behaviour in recent times has sometimes been unbecoming to his position.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
The thing you forget is that Blair made Labour finally electable again.
The Tories are in the worst state they've been for ages, Labour should be leaps and bounds ahead of them in the polls, but they're level pegging.
The weekly polls say that people don't want Corbyn as PM. There are many, me included, that won't vote for Labour while he's in charge. You can't go from career backbencher to leader. He's a fence sitter and a weak leader in his own party, he'd be even worse dealing with other world leaders. And the cronies he's surrounded himself with are just as bad. Diane Abbot as home secretary?
The Blair and Thatcher years weren't so bad. In the latter many got onto the housing ladder thanks to the right to buy. As for the former, we had a pretty good economy until the financial crash. Things got worse due to Brown, not Blair.
As for Frank Field, he's been doing a sterling job working with the government on a number of projects for many years. If you think that an opposition MP should not participate with "the enemy" in any way, then again, that's very sad and doesn't help the country one bit. Have you never heard of cross-party committees?
The thing you forget is that Blair made Labour finally electable again.
The Tories are in the worst state they've been for ages, Labour should be leaps and bounds ahead of them in the polls, but they're level pegging.
The weekly polls say that people don't want Corbyn as PM. There are many, me included, that won't vote for Labour while he's in charge. You can't go from career backbencher to leader. He's a fence sitter and a weak leader in his own party, he'd be even worse dealing with other world leaders. And the cronies he's surrounded himself with are just as bad. Diane Abbot as home secretary?
The Blair and Thatcher years weren't so bad. In the latter many got onto the housing ladder thanks to the right to buy. As for the former, we had a pretty good economy until the financial crash. Things got worse due to Brown, not Blair.
As for Frank Field, he's been doing a sterling job working with the government on a number of projects for many years. If you think that an opposition MP should not participate with "the enemy" in any way, then again, that's very sad and doesn't help the country one bit. Have you never heard of cross-party committees?
On the other hand, previous achievements don't qualify you as being the best for the job currently or in the future, being an MP isn't a reward for previous service rendered.
Some of his statements towards Phillip Green would not have happened in previous years and were approaching the type of thuggery which he would possibly have fought against in the past.
I'm sure if he put his mind to it he could be as good as he was, but is his heart and energy still in it?
Wirralleaks has campaigned against Frank for many years, I can't remember what triggered that off?
His refusal to attend his own CLP meetings has most certainly not helped his corner and something I find very difficult to explain for any MP as I find it discourteous and others find it self-righteous..
The other obvious question is what has he done for his own constituency as a whole, while he may have been an excellent national politician, what about his local representation? His relationship with the Council has mostly been kept behind closed doors, if any relationship happened or was this like his attitude towards CLP meetings? For those reasons he may be better suited in the Lords as there has been little chance of him becoming a front bench MP again for some time now.
On a straight yes/no vote I would not vote against Frank, yes I am sitting on the fence a bit because I can see some of the reasons he has ended up in this position and I can't say they are definitely unjustified.,
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Frank Field has resigned the whip and is going independent.
Mike Sullivan (Councillor for Pensby and Thingwall) resigned the whip the other day and is also going independent.
Its going to get messier and may lead to another Tory Government at the next elections but the country needs a left wing party to vote for.
Personally I would like to see all the political parties abolished and all councillors and MP's be independent but still accountable to the electorate.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Frank has always says that he stands for the vulnerable and disenfranchised in his constituency. However, his siding with the Government over the Brexit union vote allowed the Tories to escape a defeat that may well have lead to a general election and the chance of a Labour victory. Mr Field, therefore, has condemned Birkenhead to another 3 or 4 years of cruelty and deprivation under Tory misrule. Unfortunately for him, he will be remembered for this rather than his other good works down the years.
Frank has always says that he stands for the vulnerable and disenfranchised in his constituency.
That is true but he is an MP not a Councillor, he is voted in on what he should do in Parliament, he (like many other MPs) have become a first port of call for local matters through his surgeries, he should only step in on local matters when the Council has been approached to resolve the matter and failed.
I had no bones to pick with Frank until recent times but he has become abusive which concerns me and I don't like that he does not attend his CLP meetings. He can't complain about what happens in the CLP if he doesn't attend them.
Jumping on the anti-semitic anti-Corbyn bandwagon as a spiteful response to people disagreeing with him is a sheer act of malice and I will now support his removal.
He was big headed enough to believe that even though he had resigned the whip he thought he could stand as an independent Labour candidate .... er no! You can't stay in the Labour party if you are not supporting an official Labour candidate.
Now he is talking abort forcing a local election by resigning as MP and presumably putting himself forward as a candidate. I doubt there is a rule against this because nobody thought anyone to do it. Either you are resigning as an MP or you are not.
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We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
This is an incident that disgusted me, whilst it can be argued that Frank is right or wrong in what he said, the way he puts it across is completely arrogant and pompous.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
As I said, its not the content of what he said, its the way he said it, he came over that it is unthinkable that he should be accountable.
There are two reasons why the Birkenhead Labour vote has increased, one is Corbyn, the other is the Tories need kicking out, the Tory Governments have done nothing for Wirral along with other northern socialist areas.
Most of the time Blair was in power he was not a moderate, he was authoritarian right-wing, the opposite of what the Labour party should be, selling your soul and morals purely to get elected doesn't make sense.
On the same measure as the calculations for this graphic (political-compass), I come out as slightly left wing and slightly authoritarian.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Was at a function the other night and Frank Field was the guest not for politics but because he has had an involvement with the new wilfried owen war memorial going in Hamilton Square next year. Came across as a decent chap with a real interest and knowledge about Wilfred Owen. He was asked about his situation and his answer showed he was ready for the fight.
Just a heads up on Wilfred Owen .. a film is coming out in November (Heswall Hall, Christchurch Oxton ) the Burying Party which has won a lot of film awards. Didnt realise till recently he was gay..
Was at a function the other night and Frank Field was the guest not for politics but because he has had an involvement with the new wilfried owen war memorial going in Hamilton Square next year. Came across as a decent chap with a real interest and knowledge about Wilfred Owen. He was asked about his situation and his answer showed he was ready for the fight.
Just a heads up on Wilfred Owen .. a film is coming out in November (Heswall Hall, Christchurch Oxton ) the Burying Party which has won a lot of film awards. Didnt realise till recently he was gay..
Frank Field is respected by many, and not just in this area. That sounds an interesting film, Fish, is it open to anyone.
I do get pretty fed up with Wirral claiming fame from Wilfred Owen and find it quite distasteful for areas to be 'out doing' each other over such things, for pure recognition and tourism. Wilfred Owen came here from Shrewsbury for 3 months in 1897. Wilfred Owen was 4 yrs old when they returned to Shrewsbury ! The family returned to Wirral in 1898 until 1907 and they left again to return to Shrewsbury when Wilfred Owen was 14yrs old.. Shrewsbury was the family's real home and obviously not Wirral..
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