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granny #1072940 5th Dec 2019 9:49am
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Originally Posted by granny
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Which members of the Royal Family Casper ? Name them ( but please don't mention Prince A, that is another topic altogether)


Oh come on granny you cant have your cake and ha'penny, is prince Andrew a member of the royal family or not? prince Harry with his tax payer funded house make over, Andrews kids with their lavish weddings, why don't they do what this government tells everyone to do, pay for it themselves? after all they can afford it.

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Which members of the Royal Family Casper ? Name them ( but please don't mention Prince A, that is another topic altogether)


Oh come on granny you cant have your cake and ha'penny, is prince Andrew a member of the royal family or not? prince Harry with his tax payer funded house make over, Andrews kids with their lavish weddings, why don't they do what this government tells everyone to do, pay for it themselves? after all they can afford it.



Casper, you must read the Daily Mail or the Guardian.. Just to put things straight Harry and Meghan's home, Frogmore Cottage is privately owned by the Queen. Tax payers did not fund the renovations, the money came out of the profits from the Crown Estate, the Queen receives a percentage of the profits .It made no difference to your pocket or anyone else's pocket.

"The Crown Estate (the Monarch’s property portfolio) makes a profit each year, which adds to the total pot of money the government has to spend. The government gives some of that pot in a grant to the Queen each year, with the grant amount usually a fixed percentage of the profit the Estate has made. Part of that grant is what paid for these renovations.

Taxpayers (and equivalently the government) are not directly worse off financially because these renovations are happening, and would be no better off this year if no renovations had been made."

Prince Andrew was also paid out of the Queens allotted amount from the profits the Estate makes, for his work which has probably been hit in the head now.

Princess Eugnenie's wedding was paid for by contributions from the Queen, and split between Prince Andrew, Sarah Fergusson and the Brookbank family. Security was not paid for by them, estimated £2 million which seems to be a drop in the ocean when we think about the £37 million it has cost the Met police force to provide a service for protests of Extinction Rebellion !!

Princess Beatrice is paying for her own wedding.. and so, who are the rest of the hangers on ?


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DD none of the countries you list are headed by Marxists, Trotskyists or Communists and they haven't shared platforms with Hamas commanders Patrick Magee, PLFP commander ,and various other extremists.

Corbyn is in my opinion dangerous. That's how I see him and no more to be said .


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Granny, I hope you vote for Boris.


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Originally Posted by granny
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[quote=cas

Which members of the Royal Family Casper ? Name them ( but please don't mention Prince A, that is another topic altogether)


Oh come on granny you cant have your cake and ha'penny, is prince Andrew a member of the royal family or not? prince Harry with his tax payer funded house make over, Andrews kids with their lavish weddings, why don't they do what this government tells everyone to do, pay for it themselves? after all they can afford it.



Casper, you must read the Daily Mail or the Guardian.. Just to put things straight Harry and Meghan's home, Frogmore Cottage is privately owned by the Queen. Tax payers did not fund the renovations, the money came out of the profits from the Crown Estate, the Queen receives a percentage of the profits .It made no difference to your pocket or anyone else's pocket.

"The Crown Estate (the Monarch’s property portfolio) makes a profit each year, which adds to the total pot of money the government has to spend. The government gives some of that pot in a grant to the Queen each year, with the grant amount usually a fixed percentage of the profit the Estate has made. Part of that grant is what paid for these renovations.

Taxpayers (and equivalently the government) are not directly worse off financially because these renovations are happening, and would be no better off this year if no renovations had been made."

Prince Andrew was also paid out of the Queens allotted amount from the profits the Estate makes, for his work which has probably been hit in the head now.

Princess Eugnenie's wedding was paid for by contributions from the Queen, and split between Prince Andrew, Sarah Fergusson and the Brookbank family. Security was not paid for by them, estimated £2 million which seems to be a drop in the ocean when we think about the £37 million it has cost the Met police force to provide a service for protests of Extinction Rebellion !!

Princess Beatrice is paying for her own wedding.. and so, who are the rest of the hangers on ?


You need to read through it again granny @ full fact org, read the footnote, it may of been incorrect to say the money didn't come come from the taxpayer, but it made no difference to you or I, really it just appeared then via the good fairy, in other words the money had already been paid by the taxpayer, security for the minor royal who has no public duties between 2 to 4 million no exact figure given surprise surprise

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The money had not been paid for by the Tax payer, it was profits from the Estates that go into the big pot. That is NOT taken from the tax payers money. It is public money, which is different.
I've read full fact .0rg and here's another that states the Queen pays her taxes like anyone else, therefore she contributes to the Policing and security of this country like anyone else.

https://fullfact.org/economy/royal-family-what-are-costs-and-benefits/

It's always funny how the more important issue like the £37 million for containing protestors, is forgotten about and not even mentioned. I am assuming you are happy for your taxes to pay for that .


Anyway, I've fallen out with you two now. I'm fed up trying to make you see sense, but as the years roll on we can be sure that the next generation will have a life of a different nature to what we enjoyed. We did have the best years, and it's a shame we might face another Civil war. I think the last one in this country was when Oliver Cromwell tried to get rid of the Monarchy ! grin
Must be time for another.


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Nice little article for why you should / should not vote for Corbyn , DD . Depends on whether you can find enough excuses for the man.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...reToken=f957fe60d2417d4e04823da51593dc97


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Granny, don't vote Labour if you really believe that right wing lies and propaganda (which you don't), if Boris gets in I will blame you and your ilk, if Labour get in you can enjoy the benefits of a socialist society.


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Originally Posted by granny
The money had not been paid for by the Tax payer, it was profits from the Estates that go into the big pot. That is NOT taken from the tax payers money. It is public money, which is different.
I've read full fact .0rg and here's another that states the Queen pays her taxes like anyone else, therefore she contributes to the Policing and security of this country like anyone else.

https://fullfact.org/economy/royal-family-what-are-costs-and-benefits/

It's always funny how the more important issue like the £37 million for containing protestors, is forgotten about and not even mentioned. I am assuming you are happy for your taxes to pay for that .


Anyway, I've fallen out with you two now. I'm fed up trying to make you see sense, but as the years roll on we can be sure that the next generation will have a life of a different nature to what we enjoyed. We did have the best years, and it's a shame we might face another Civil war. I think the last one in this country was when Oliver Cromwell tried to get rid of the Monarchy ! grin
Must be time for another.




I can't believe it, binned again, I always knew you had a thing for that smooth talking Boris, I bet the last thing he said to you was "lets get it done". wink

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Caper, you need to play your cards right. Jack of hearts has been slipping away in recent times. Boris would never say that to me ..... he can't string two sentences together, but he might view me as oven ready.

It's my Queenie and the Monarchy that I love in this country. All families have their problems, and they are human too, but overall it's a stability that could unite us all rather than half the population moaning about £2million security bill. The heating bill in Westminster probably costs double !

Oh here we have it ! and it looks like they are closer to £3 million !

https://www.parliament.uk/site-info...r-each-of-the-past-five-financial-years/

Energy bills for the Houses of Parliament

The natural gas costs for the Parliamentary Estate for the last 5 financial years are:

£s
2007/08 £613,903.19
2008/09 £911,488.00
2009/10 £527,824.42
2010/11 £853,598.87
2011/12 £822,856.13

The electricity costs for the Parliamentary Estate for the last 5 financial years are:

£s
2007/08 2,618,887.18
2008/09 3,125,914.07
2009/10 3,327,939.84
2010/11 2,876,465.76
2011/12 3,466,449.87


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General election 2019: Reddit says UK-US trade talks document leak 'linked to Russia'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50695558


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Reddit also said the document is unquestionably genuine and not manufactured by the Russians. The only question is how did the Russians get hold of it.


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Corbyn said the documents were a 'Freedom of Information' request. That's a bit confusing .


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Originally Posted by granny

Corbyn said the documents were a 'Freedom of Information' request. That's a bit confusing .


There were two documents he requested under the freedom of information, both were heavily redacted when he received them, in fact at least one was very close to being totally redacted. Since then he obtained non-redacted copies from other sources.

This shows what is meant by redacted ....

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The happiest countries in the world all have one thing in common. They all have socialist governments that invest heavily in order to obtain a very high quality of life. That's exactly what socialist Labour will do for the UK too, if given the opportunity. Here's the top ten in reverse order.
10. Australia (not socialist)
9. Iceland
8. Austria
7. Switzerland
6. Canada
5. Sweden
4. Netherlands
3. Denmark
2. Norway
1. Finland
Unfortunately, the UK are at no.15.

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