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Yes, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I'm not suggesting that anyone should risk infecting anyone else. We can only go by official figures. Everything else is speculation.

The UK has a population of 65.64 million and so far, there have been 47,806 CONFIRMED cases. That's currently approx 0.073% of the population. It's interesting how some of the deaths are being reported as "person x died WITH Coronovirus" rather than "person x died OF Coronovirus". This suggests that it may or may not have been a contributing factor in those deaths.

I say the safest thing is to maintain social distancing and hand washing. It's not over yet.

Coronavirus leads to pneumonia (because of build up of fluid and debris in the lungs) or I should imagine heart failure because of fever. No doubt it can create numerous other complications. I believe most deaths are a shortage of oxygen one way or another, the lungs aren't allowing the passage of oxygen due to either the amount of physical damage or flooding, in Italy they put a pressurised hood over the patients heads to literally force oxygen through the lung walls - its all about partial pressures.

There is always an ongoing discussion about how deaths are recorded, if you have a heart attack after a car accident, what killed you? Blunt force trauma or heart failure? Most deaths are complex with one problem leading to another, there is no finite answer to how they should be recorded. If an underlying cause such as CV triggers other factors then the cause of death should include CV as a contributory factor, if CV aggravates another factor then its not so clear cut - eg supposing an old person with pneumonia, asthma and a dodgy ticker catches CV.

No doubt there are coding structures but there will still be a lot of judgement involved.

Boris has been hospitalised, I doubt it will be NHS Nightingale.

Does it matter DD! Give the man a break!

I thought it does matter that our Prime Minister has been admitted to hospital.

It also matters that he did sod all for 8 weeks when he should have been replenishing stocks of PPE.

Carrie Symonds has also been diagnosed with this virus. That's very worrying with her being pregnant.

As of tonight, Wirral now has 168 confirmed cases; an increase of 21 from yesterday.

This is very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

Looking at the RH chart, measles at the top has an R0 of 12-18. This is why it's important for kids to have the MMR jab.
By comparison, COVID 19 has an R0 of 1.4-3.9 putting it lower than the common cold but higher than flu.

Wouldn't that of been the health minister job dd not johnsons

On major matters the decision maker is the Prime Minister, it was the PM who dictated our approach to CV against WHO recommendations, it became very clear he only read the first paragraph on herd immunity and didn't check the detail.

Interesting that the BBC4 pandemic program only used an R0 of 1.8, whilst CV has a wide range the accepted average at the moment is mostly 2.2 but some countries are using values around 3. But even at R0=1.8 it was a devastating outcome with 66% infected and over 800,000 deaths using a 2% mortality rate over a period of 3 months.

In the program it states about the policy of slowing down the virus, what happened between 2017 and 2020?

Meanwhile in America .... Dr Charles Lieber , Head of Harvard blah blah ...... has been arrested on suspicion of manufacture and distribution of a bio weapon etc etc ! Things people do for money

No, he hasn't been charged with anything to do with biology (he isn't a biologist, he is nano-materials), he has been charged with failing to disclose his financial links, it is an administrative crime.

Yeah ok whatever dd

Here is the DOJ rap sheet, notice the word "separate", the three cases are nothing to do with each other, they just happened to be charged at the same time. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harv...als-charged-three-separate-china-related

Boris Johnson symptoms have worsen, please refrain from name calling, or sagging off at this time, think what you would say to your grandparents at this time

Sad to hear he is in intensive care, I wish him well.