Welcome to WikiWirral, sharing is what we do best.
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,379
Posts1,033,383
Members14,600
Most Online16,551
Feb 2nd, 2024
Who's Online Now
4 members (1 invisible), 8,125 guests, and 492 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,269
granny 17,792
_Ste_ 16,345
Newest Members
Bomber, Johnjones, jesskitson, acewheeler123494, HMacLewis
14,600 Registered Users
New General Forums
New here
by MissBo - 25th May 2024 4:29pm
New Wirral History
What Happened To The Jiggers?
by Erainn - 17th May 2024 8:49pm
Grange Road Co-Op
by Erainn - 6th May 2024 3:08pm
Quest International
by diggingdeeper - 15th Jul 2023 10:40pm
ST Hugh Birkenhead and Maris Stella NB
by terrier - 20th Apr 2023 7:33pm
Bromborough Ju88 incident
by mikeeb - 2nd Jan 2014 5:09pm
Top Posters(30 Days)
Erainn 8
bert1 3
Topic Replies
The Hooton Hotel
by diggingdeeper - 29th May 2024 9:53am
Monster High ...
by GaryFromWirral - 28th May 2024 12:16pm
Quest International
by Paulie - 26th May 2024 7:36pm
Drill bits Sds new
by dodie - 26th May 2024 5:59pm
New here
by MissBo - 25th May 2024 4:29pm
PC/Xbox Gamepad & Accessories
by Catsick - 23rd May 2024 9:58am
Bromborough Ju88 incident
by RWeth - 22nd May 2024 11:52am
the empress club
by diggingdeeper - 22nd May 2024 5:31am
June
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
None yet
Top Likes Received
bert1 14
casper 4
Mark 4
granny 3
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
Gibbo Offline OP
Forum Master
OP Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
Planning application proposes that Heswall’s Sheldrakes becomes a luxury home
https://heswall.nub.news/n/planning...eswalls-sheldrakes-becomes-a-luxury-home

[Linked Image]

This is the planning application if anyone wants to object:

https://planning.wirral.gov.uk/onli...WIRRA_DCAPR_112531&activeTab=summary

Google Ads
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,034
Forum Guide
Offline
Forum Guide
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,034
Interesting - you'll still get mozzies on that fine terrace, however much you spend. Anyone know what's likely to happen to the boatyard and the assortment of decaying boats? I actually find that area rather attractive, lots of photo opportunities if you like peeling paint etc (not being facetious, I do find peeling paint photogenic!)

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Heswall Boat Yard is still active as a business I think, most of the boats on the mud are abandonments.

Interesting on Sheldrakes considering the amount of (tax deductable?) building work that has gone on over recent years.

Classed as green belt despite the amount of buildings that have accrued in the area.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Forum Addict
Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Why would anyone object this application?
If the business is loss making, this is a better use for the property rather than letting it fall into disrepair.

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
One objection is from someone in Marlow, Buckinghamshire, the other is in Oxton (which may not display their correct address).


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Forum Addict
Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
I was wondering why someone so far away would be objecting.
Why doesn't it ever show their comments and why they are objecting?

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Originally Posted by mikeeb
I was wondering why someone so far away would be objecting.
Why doesn't it ever show their comments and why they are objecting?


I'm sure they used to show the comments at one time but this Government has a policy of restricting Open Democracy. Next thing it will be yet another piece of public data that you have to pay to view.

It seems back-to-front to me, the originator should be anonymous, the comment should be public.

Either the comment is relevant/valid or not, it is totally irrelevant to a planning decision who makes that comment.

There should be more follow-up on planning promises, like saying the development is to support 25 full-time jobs when in reality it achieves more like 12 jobs and not all full-time. If promises like that are allowed to influence planning permission then they should be made accountable.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
Gibbo Offline OP
Forum Master
OP Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by mikeeb
Why would anyone object this application?
If the business is loss making, this is a better use for the property rather than letting it fall into disrepair.


The argument that the place be turned from a restaurant to a house simply because it has "struggled to be financially viable" is rubbish. Plenty of places in Heswall and West Kirby are thriving and the blame should be placed on a poorly managed and advertised restaurant if business is bad. There was a time you had to book way in advance to eat here. I couldn't get in anywhere in West Kirby and Heswall on Sunday for lunch because they were fully booked. I managed to get a table somewhere in Hoylake, but only if I could eat and be off before the reservation party arrived.

And like DD says, a private house won't have any employees compared to the restaurant.

"increased competition from the restaurants and bars in Heswall" is another moot point considering the restaurant is over a mile away from Heswall centre. I can name plenty of restaurants around Lancashire which thrive despite being in a rural location.

Sheldrakes is a beautiful unique restaurant where splendid dining with incredible views shouldn't be the preserve of one family with money. And how long will it be before the new owners of the residence want to restrict public access down to the waterside?

Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Forum Addict
Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
If there are no buyers to take the restaurant on, what are they supposed to do? Let it rot?
Regarding public access to the waterside, this is a public byway so access will not be restricted.

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
The owner is around 60 now, she also runs at least one other business (Brook Hall Hotel and Restaurant, Childer Thornton), it is her choice whether to close Sheldrakes or not. As far as I am aware Sheldrakes wasn't put up for sale so she is converting it to residential use for herself or to sell after development.

Originally Posted by mikeeb
Regarding public access to the waterside, this is a public byway so access will not be restricted.


So you would think but we lost access to Bromborough Port at McTay/Carmet which was a public right of way.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
Gibbo Offline OP
Forum Master
OP Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,284
Likes: 3
And lets not forget Monks Ferry car park and slipway

https://www.facebook.com/savemonksferry/

Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Forum Addict
Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Monks Ferry car park is still there with public access.

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Originally Posted by mikeeb
Monks Ferry car park is still there with public access.


Council refused planning permission but lost on appeal so it is still under threat of being built on.

https://planning.wirral.gov.uk/onli...ry&previousKeyVal=_WIRRA_DCAPR_93184


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
Forum Addict
Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,630
The decision date of the appeal is 13 Oct 2015.
So what was the decision?

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,357
Likes: 20
Originally Posted by mikeeb
The decision date of the appeal is 13 Oct 2015.
So what was the decision?


The Council's refusal was overturned and the planning permission was passed however a subsequent planning application along similar lines was refused by the Council and has not been appealed iirc.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk

Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Monster High ...
by GaryFromWirral - 28th May 2024 12:16pm
New here
by MissBo - 25th May 2024 4:29pm
What Happened To The Jiggers?
by Erainn - 17th May 2024 8:49pm
Grange Road Co-Op
by Erainn - 6th May 2024 3:08pm
For Sale & Free
Drill bits Sds new
by dodie - 26th May 2024 5:59pm
PC/Xbox Gamepad & Accessories
by Catsick - 14th May 2024 9:05am
Member Spotlight
TheComputerLab
TheComputerLab
Wallasey
Posts: 1,317
Joined: May 2011
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Paddle Steamer Waverley
by diggingdeeper - 5th Apr 2024 7:57am
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM - 7th Aug 2020 8:59pm
Roofer recommendation please?
by Gold_Moon - 15th Mar 2019 5:09pm
The Hooton Hotel
by venice - 13th Nov 2018 5:55pm
News : New Topics
New Enthusiast Forums
Monster High ...
by GaryFromWirral - 28th May 2024 12:16pm
garage wanted
by robin47 - 3rd May 2024 5:53pm
Looking for an old engine
by TheComputerLab - 27th Apr 2024 3:11pm
The Co-op Ghoul
by Erainn - 11th Jan 2021 2:54pm
Willaston
by Erainn - 19th Jun 2020 3:48pm
Popular Topics(Views)
5,076,218 WIKI WALK CHAT
4,029,381 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5