Forums Forums Wirral History : Chasing the Past Wirral Now and Then Liscard

I think your friends may be correct. I revisted the "site" and its amazing how you look at things differently when you take more notice. Here are some pics I took. As you can see there is certainly enough space for a large building.

Liscard Village / Rake Lane Views




Manor Road View



I am certainly going to look into it.

You've got me thinking now but I can't remember there being a pub there. When I was a school kid the school dentist (butcher would be more appropriate) was directly across the road from that space.

Having said that, I was either too terrified going in or too traumatised coming out to notice much.

Time to phone a friend providing I can think of one old enough who is still alive.

Hmm, comparing these two maps it'd seem like there was originally a gap there anyway before the Post office of all things filled the hole. I'll have to try and track a later map, from the 40's/50's if possible.

This is a map from 1898. Of course its more important that we find a map from the 1950s.

Am I correct that your 2 maps are 1913 and 1938?

Yes that's correct. I found a Tithe Map from the 1840's but while the decade's right, it's certainly not the correct century It's hard to find it anyway as, by the looks of it, 99% of today's roads didn't exist!

http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithema...2440&scale=5&tabL=L1&tabR=R1

I have the 1898 map that has already been posted and which shows an open space in the area concerned - much as exists today.

I also have the map from The Rise and Progress of Wallasey; a History of the Borough. Second Edition, revised and enlarged by the Public Libraries Department, Wallasey, in collaboration with E. Cuthbert Woods and H. Hopps. This second edition was 1960 and the map does have that date (after a fashion)

The map is of course of the whole borough so the pic I give is just a tiny section. it LOOKS like a lot more of the area in question has some sort of building - but cartographers do take some liberties even on O/S maps

Snod

Hmm, maybe it's simply an anomaly although the gap keeps changing in some fashion, for example if we're going through the years:

1898: A small building exists with a bigger building on Manor Rd, elongated chemist on this section?
1913: No building at the front, large building still on Manor Rd.
1938: Post Office dominates the front, still a small gap but building's still on Manor Rd.
1960: Still a gap at the front. Maybe it's that longer bit on the back into Manor Road then?

Had a glance through the street directories in the library. In 1912 there was the chemists then a boot and shoe shop followed by a blacksmiths. Then there was the Queens. 1946 The chemists and the post office. 1955 Chemist and post office.

Personally I don't reckon there was ever a pub there and perhaps someone is thinking of the old Queens that was on the front of the present one if I remember correctly? Either that or they are way out and are thinking of the Castle (Garden) in Wallasey road?

Ignore the caption. Someone was way out with this one. Note the trees at the place in question.

Morseman is right of course. This is the area we are discussing - despite what it says on the old postcard (which is a far better pic than mine)

A blow up of the area shows trees - and a lot of "fuzz" but it does seem likely that the car park area was free from buildings

Snod

If you do the same sort of blow up from the pic in the link Morseman posted then as well as trees there is quite clearly a building behind the trees. However, the wall in front also looks quite substantial and not the sort of frontage you would expect for a pub

Snod

Same photo though, just mine is tarted up.

Well done Morse. So the answer is..the land was trees that probably belonged to the old Trafford House that was demolished to make way for the Post Office. The front of Trafford house must of fronted on Manor Road? Maybe thats another question we need an answer!

You mean I have to hit the books again but this time look at Manor road? Trafford house is a new one on me and sounds a bit too much like our "friends" place up the East Lancs road. Boooo!