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You just know that's gonna get edited out dude

Yup, had to point it out though

Is that a waterpistol beneath him? Didn't stand much of a chance with that fire power.

They weren't armed. Looking at the pictures that's 3 out of 4 of them were killed with side on headshots (executed, in other words).

ha ha it is barry!

Whereas all those people in the twin towers were well tooled up with computers, mobile phones and brief cases, which was just asking to be slotted eh??????

I'm pretty sure the thousands of people they killed weren't all carrying guns.

Defensive much? I never passed any judgement, I simply stated that the way they were killed suggests they were executed.

I do believe if they were unarmed they should have been taken prisoner and given fair trial, but that's just me. Silly me thinking justice is something the Americans should be promoting rather than revenge.

Edit: Also, pretty sure that none of the guys in these pictures personally killed thousands of people, btw.

No but the person they were trying to protect is directly responsible for it, and if they want to protect something which is nothing short of evil then they're just as guilty.

That's a very short sighted view. As I said earlier to someone, I don't think he was evil. People that kill for the sake of killing, for sport, serial murderers, those are evil people. So in that respect he's no more evil than George Bush. Both had ideals and beliefs, both took action on them.

It's worth remembering that in his eyes he absolutely believed he was doing what was right. In his eyes he was good and we were evil.

Check this link out, it's a fascinating look at Bin Laden from a guy that was intelligent enough to post without letting emotion cloud his judgement. He basically says the same thing I'm trying to say but much more eloquently.

WWII (in European terms) was inevitably lost, when the Germans/axis made the drastic mistake of fighting a war on two fronts with the launch of Barbarossa; had they been able to go that little bit further in 1941 and take Moscow, there would have been little the Americans could have done to help the allied plight in Europe, because the Red Army (the largest Army in the world at the time) would have been under German control, as would the economic power and natural resources of Russia.

Alternatively, if they hadnt have decided to breack their peace treaty with the Soviets, then they would have annihalated the British forces without the support of the Soviets/the need to divert significant numbers of units towards the eastern front.

Furthermore, had they Nazi regime not diverted so many resource and finance towards things like their "final solution", then they may well have been in a stronger position to fight the war on both fronts.

To suggest that the US were somehow single-handedly responsible for winning WWII, when the German advances against Britain and Russia were already, for the mostpart, in stalemate, by the time the US came in, is laughable. As per usual, the US waited until the war reached a point whereby the European nations were essentially knocking the shit out of each other, with no hope either side actually coming away as "winners", before they deemed it time to join in; indeed it took the Axis to declare ware on the US, as a part of their alliance with Japan, for the US to become interested in joing WW2 (probably a mistake on the Nazi part, given how stretched they were already with the impending failiure of Barbarossa). Let us not forget, that under Hitlers vision for the Nazi New Order, the evnetual aim was to take control of North America, and a British defeat to the Nazi's would have certainly made that possible; at the time, there was a significant Nazi movement building in the US, and given that Hitler considered half of the US poulation (rightly or wrongly) to be jewish, or inferior, there is little doubt he would have seen the US (in addition to being the world ecomonic power) as a prime post-war target. The US would have had to declare war on the axis sooner or later, to prevent being smashed to pieces later on anyway; funny how they shurked away from doing so.

They are cowards, not the brave soldiers of the US Army who risk their lives to protect their country, but the administration. In fact, they are not just cowards, but they like to play the role of bullies too. They like to bully their way around in weaker nations - the biggest threat to US domination right now is China, but would they fook stand-up to China, because China would have none of it; so instead they go after terrorist/militant groups, and nations who can't fight back such as Afgahnistan and Iraq. They also back the biggest terrorist state on earth, aka Israel, and encourage them to invade and go after nations who do not have the ability or capacity to fight back (invading the likes of Lebanon due to a Syrian-backed militant group, causing humanitarian problems in the Gaza Strip for many years). They try to bully arab nations, usually with the goal of grabbing some oil, and then wonder why there is a hatred at worst, suspicion at best, of the US within the Arab/Muslim world.

DD, im not sure if you are referring to the German Fleet, as in their navy, but Hitler himself knew that the war was going to be on the ground and in the air, and the Royal Navy was always going to be an unbeatable force; it was the main reason Doenitz was made President of the Third Reich (aside from the face Goring and Himmler had been suspended due to them trying to grab power, Hitler would never have made either President at that point, as he blamed the army and airforce for the downfall) to suceed Hitler after his suicide, because in his last will and testament, he stated that Doenitz could shoulder no blame for the German failiure in WW2, due to the fact that the German Navy had little affect on the outcome of the war. Indeed, Hitler considered that the Navy would become increasingly important, after the war was won, with the possibility of a further war between the Nazi New Order, and Japan, utilizing the British Navy to head his warforce against Japan, knowing the German Navy was far weaker, and not up to the task.

Revenge will do for me every day of the week.
I wonder if you would be making that statement if you were Eugene Armstrong's wife after you'd just seen your husband slowly beheaded ?
What sort of trial did he get ?
Furthermore what sort of filth would film the slow agonising beheading of another human being and release that film to the world to promote their own political aims ?
Regarding the ... in the pictures I'm also pretty sure they never personally killed thousands.
I'm also pretty sure that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the rest never personally killed thousands.
They were only giving orders right ?
Just like Bin Laden.
Lets not forget the SS guards who ran the death camps for Hitler.They were only helping out, following orders.
Just the same as the filth shown dead in these pictures.

So your entire argument is that the Americans, supposedly representing the civilised world, should aspire to be no better than the guys that beheaded Eugene Armstrong?

Is it worth me pointing out the literally dozens of different situations where American troops slaughtered Iraqi civilians and raped young girls before killing their entire families or does your analogy not stretch that far?

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Nice post about WW2 btw Matt. Very informative.

Exactly, we in the west, cannot go around proclaiming to be a civilised and democratic society that shows compassion to our enemies and respects the Geneva convetion and IHL, and then carry out acts that our leaders publically condem when not carried out by themselves.

Regardless of who Bin Laden was/wasnt and what acts we stood accused of carrying out, if he were not armed, he should have been arrested and sent to trial.

There is a valid argument, in that not only have the US made him a martyr to other Arab/Muslin terrorists and militant groups by killing him, but they have also given him the easy way out, instead of making him face up to the terror he has (allegedly) caused to others.