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I come back to Birkenhead most Saturdays, I go down town with my sister.
The shopping area is characterless.The heart of the place has gone.It is so sad, Grange Rd used to be filled with lovely shops,
or is that just nostalgia?
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not nostalgia lyn,just fact.blame the supermarkets most of them sell cheap crap which people buy through the lack of money.at least in the 50s the old market was a vibrant and friendly plkace to shop,as was grange road unlike the faceless supermarkets employing nearly all part time jobs for very low pay.ask the staff at the new asda in a few months what they think.having to do silly american things like talk ins given to them when theyre getting rubbish pay.dont use it theyve been and gone before.
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not nostalgia lyn,just fact.blame the supermarkets most of them sell cheap crap which people buy through the lack of money.at least in the 50s the old market was a vibrant and friendly plkace to shop,as was grange road unlike the faceless supermarkets employing nearly all part time jobs for very low pay.ask the staff at the new asda in a few months what they think.having to do silly american things like talk ins given to them when theyre getting rubbish pay.dont use it theyve been and gone before. So true that
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I know there is loads of Asda haters but you know what town has been more busy since the store opened, not sure if that is because of Asda and the car parks or due to it being near Christmas.
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its due to the novelty and christmas i stick by what i said before.
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Id rather have an Asda there with a guarenteed customer base all year round than the empty shells that it replaced. I like it being there. The market scenes of the past are rare nowadays and Birkenhead has had to move with the times unfortuantely. Its the same everywhere. Birkenhead isn't an affluent area and its not a retail prospect. Hopefully this will change with the Wirral Waters Scheme.
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its the supermarkets that made the empty shells.as for waiting for wirral waters we will see .
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come off it apart from Greggs, Abbey and B&M and ok Ethel's for a bit, that row of shops had been an empty eyesore for years.
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Without upsetting anybody - for those of us who are old enough we can remember Grange Rd as a bustling area - having problems to walk up and down without bumping in to each other as there where so many people shopping - same goes for the old market jam packed and as somebody said earlier it was all smiles, chats, and decent prices for decent items
Now a days faceless / characterless people / shops are out for money and have no care if the item is sound and going to last.
I agree what was said earlier, big shops (asda etc) little wage, big expectations of their staff - blame privatisation - profit for shareholders is the number 1 concern probaly number 1 through to number 100 - profit, profit
Why do you think elec gas prices are so high - profit, profit and more profit for shareholders - the raw cost of elec and gas is the same as 18 months ago?????
For those young enough you weren't around or you can't remember what it was like - its not just silly old people like me - it is just a true fact that the whole of Birkenhead has changed and without doubt it has changed for the worse in every facet you care to think about - wait for the Wirral Water Ways - don't hold your breath - something or someone will ruin that idea - how? pure greed quite simpley
WE are never satisfied, when I young some 50 years ago I wished things would get better and better - just like young people do now a days - sorry can't see Birkenhead ever getting better - only worse as has happened in my life time / dream
The vibrant happy caring Birkenhead has gone never to return
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Without upsetting anybody - for those of us who are old enough we can remember Grange Rd as a bustling area - having problems to walk up and down without bumping in to each other as there where so many people shopping - same goes for the old market jam packed and as somebody said earlier it was all smiles, chats, and decent prices for decent items
Now a days faceless / characterless people / shops are out for money and have no care if the item is sound and going to last.
I agree what was said earlier, big shops (asda etc) little wage, big expectations of their staff - blame privatisation - profit for shareholders is the number 1 concern probaly number 1 through to number 100 - profit, profit
Why do you think elec gas prices are so high - profit, profit and more profit for shareholders - the raw cost of elec and gas is the same as 18 months ago?????
For those young enough you weren't around or you can't remember what it was like - its not just silly old people like me - it is just a true fact that the whole of Birkenhead has changed and without doubt it has changed for the worse in every facet you care to think about - wait for the Wirral Water Ways - don't hold your breath - something or someone will ruin that idea - how? pure greed quite simpley
WE are never satisfied, when I young some 50 years ago I wished things would get better and better - just like young people do now a days - sorry can't see Birkenhead ever getting better - only worse as has happened in my life time / dream
The vibrant happy caring Birkenhead has gone never to return Dave, almost everything you say is true. However, we're now seeing the current economic system start to fall apart. The greedy rich elite keep coming back for more. Hopefully, when the dust settles from all this economic turmoil, we may all be a little poorer and less materialistic, but we'll have stronger communities and more solidarity between people
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I do hope you are correct but I have a feeling not - if we were to have, because of the economic downturn, a sronger community spirit and love for each other there would not be so much crime and hate amongst people that there is today.
When in the past things got real bad people pulled TOGETHER for the common good not as is the fashion now a days pull in any direction so long as ME is ok
In times like we are in now, as you say the RICH get RICHER and the LESS OFF get LESS OFF
Back in "The Old Days" the people were less off in materialistic and monetary ways but by god they smiled and mixed with other people.
I go to The Gambia quite a lot - Gambia is in the "Top 10" (strange way of scoring) of the poorist countries in the world, but each and every one has a smile and good things to say about his neighbour - it is very humbling to see / watch / take part in their community activities which actualy help each other and not ME ME ME - average wage for the year is less than £200 ok, houses are none exsist for the locals but everything else cost money - share and share is their motto.
Can't see that happening here - can you?
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I'm not sure where I'm going with this, its not a rant, I don't do rants but more of a ramble. It always brings a smile to my face when I read criticism about Birkenhead from people who lived here and left many years ago, not for one minute would I not want to hear those criticisms but they are normally produced from happier times through and from childhood or youthful experiences, which I believe always gives a different prospective.
Its mentioned all the time, communities stuck together, people looked after each other, neighbours were friendly and had more time for each other, well I feel very sorry for some because thats how I still live today. I have always found you get back what you give out.
However on saying that there still is and always has been an I'm alright Jack, ME, ME, ME, attitude, putting aside the romantic view of community spirit, why is it this community spirit doesn't extend nationally.
Its always puzzled me, when a trade union of lets say a hundred thousand members want to stick together to protect their communities and their jobs they are lambasted for doing something that most people long for the return of.
Is the community spirit only acceptable if it doesn't rock the boat and does it only extend a few houses or streets.
When I ponder about the future of Birkenhead I can't help wonder where was the support of the people of Birkenhead when this town was loosing its heavy industry, I was there, I lived through it, I've got the Tee shirt, people of this town let it all go with hardly any opposition, I seen more fight to save a few libraries. Now the focus seems to be whether a few shops can stop the demise of Birkenhead, I fear not, I do feel its up to the younger people now to stand up and start rattling a few cages, don't wait for Wirral Water, it may not come.
God help us,
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Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.
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Bert, no one will stand up now, they have all given up!
You cant rely on the support, everyone has just been battered down so much by local governments and parliament, theyve just given up.
Just been looking on You Tube at some old Birkenhead footage, they all say the same, steelworks, brickworks, foundrys, shipbuilding etc. The first three have gone and the shipbuilding is now just ship painting and decorating!!
Few places still make parts for the Auto and aero industries. electrical parts and small engineering.
The decline and fall of the birkenhead empire!!
IF IT HAS A HOSE THEN IM YOUR MAN
BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN FADE AWAY!
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I'm not sure where I'm going with this, its not a rant, I don't do rants but more of a ramble. It always brings a smile to my face when I read criticism about Birkenhead from people who lived here and left many years ago, not for one minute would I not want to hear those criticisms but they are normally produced from happier times through and from childhood or youthful experiences, which I believe always gives a different prospective.
Its mentioned all the time, communities stuck together, people looked after each other, neighbours were friendly and had more time for each other, well I feel very sorry for some because thats how I still live today. I have always found you get back what you give out.
However on saying that there still is and always has been an I'm alright Jack, ME, ME, ME, attitude, putting aside the romantic view of community spirit, why is it this community spirit doesn't extend nationally.
Its always puzzled me, when a trade union of lets say a hundred thousand members want to stick together to protect their communities and their jobs they are lambasted for doing something that most people long for the return of.
Is the community spirit only acceptable if it doesn't rock the boat and does it only extend a few houses or streets.
When I ponder about the future of Birkenhead I can't help wonder where was the support of the people of Birkenhead when this town was loosing its heavy industry, I was there, I lived through it, I've got the Tee shirt, people of this town let it all go with hardly any opposition, I seen more fight to save a few libraries. Now the focus seems to be whether a few shops can stop the demise of Birkenhead, I fear not, I do feel its up to the younger people now to stand up and start rattling a few cages, don't wait for Wirral Water, it may not come. Hi Bert, very true ,but some times the choice has been taken out of comunity`s hands and the minds of the council ect have already been made up, plans drawn ect even before people get to know what`s going on 
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