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A lot more children 16 and under go out drinking than I think a lot of you realise. I know this as I was one of these. I did it for a good while without my parents even knowing as did the majority of kids in my school.
I don't think her age is really an issue. This could have happened to anyone at any age under the same circumstances.
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I agree with a lot of what has been said here, there are many people who must share responsibility for this tragic event not just the guard.
However, irespective of how much she had to drink and how 'high' she was at the time ( I am sure there are countless young people who go out and get drunk and high but still make it home safely), the only two people involved at the point where the accident happened were the guard and the victim.
It is the guard's responsibility to ensure the safety of the passengers on the Merseyrail system, it is obvious from the picture published that the guard had a clear view of Georgia as she leant against the train, he should have ensured that she was a safe distance away from the platform edge before giving the signal for the train to proceed, in that respect he must accept some responsibilty for Georgia's death. It is wrong that he alone has been charged with manslaughter (in my opinion), but it is also wrong to say that he was completely innocent of any negligence.
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Absolute disgrace that this poor man was prosecuted. How many inebriated youths does he have to deal with every night I ask myself. When I went on the lash to Liverpool in the 90's 00's as a teenager Police would patrol the platform to watch out for any trouble making drunks / trouble makers and deal with them.
Absolutely no sympathy here for families slagging off the guard, she really brought it on herself .FULL STOP. Take some resonspibilty of how your daughter behaved...not for the first time no doubt. A harsh lesson but don't hide behind condeming a decent man to prison to make you feel better.
Its not the guys job to shaperone a drunk person onto the train
If you chose to drape yourself on a train...beware the consequences.
Harsh but as most people will agree fair. If a drunk ran out in front of a car or leapt on it would it be the drivers fault....? No
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This is hardly the same as someone running out in front of a car. Maybe if someone was standing in front of the car and the driver decided it was safe to drive forwards it would be.
He gave to all clear when she was still in contact with the train and inside the yellow line.
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Two people's lives have be have ruined here. The girls mother will never have her daughter back, and the merseyrail guard will probably never live a normal life again.
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Five years sentence for a mistake god help him and his family
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I hope they appeal.
A lot to the case is based on the fact that the guard should'nt have given the all clear for the train to move when the lass had her hands on the train.
The guards appeal team, should head straight to Londons underground stations, and take 500 pics or video's IN ONE DAY of trains pulling away with commuters:-
1.Trying to force doors open. 2.Running next to the train with hands on. 3.Leaning on trains.
IF>...... London guards never closed the doors or moved trains when people where doing the above, The trains would never move and the capitol would go into meltdown. FACT
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This is insane, the guy should never be sent to jail. The mother speaking in the paper about how its normal behaviour... really? for her to be that drunk and on drugs at 16? that seems like parenting gone badly wrong and it ended in this.
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that verdict is a bloody disgrace.... i sympathise with her family but going by her own friends statements of her alcohol intake and the drug intake on the night it is plain who holds the majority of the blame and it's not the guard
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Absolutely disgusting...yes its tragic that a young girl lost her life, but to give the guard 5 years in jail is just disgraceful As a mum of 2 teens, I don't agree that its what every normal 16yr old does of a weekend....or maybe this is just me? I can't imagine what it feels like to lose a child in this way and do feel or her parents. But for the Guard to given the blame and imho used as a scapegoat in this tragic incident is just awful. If someone, had god forbid pushed her would they have been given a longer sentence? I don't think so.. I really hope the guard appeals...he too has to live with what has happened, and no doubt his life will never be the same again.. Shame on Merseyrail for throwing the Guard out to the wolves, so long as your performance tables are good and the bosses receive their well earned....salaries all is good. Don't worry about the normal working man..Shame on you.
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------------------------------------------------------ Speaking outside Liverpool Crown Court, Georgia Varley's mother, Paula Redmond, "The only liability that night was a train guard whom Georgia had the catastrophic misfortune to encounter.
Should be: "The only liability that night was Georgia whom Christopher McGee had the catastrophic misfortune to encounter." The world we live in seems to be changing day by day at the moment & not for the better.
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------------------------------------------------------ Speaking outside Liverpool Crown Court, Georgia Varley's mother, Paula Redmond, "The only liability that night was a train guard whom Georgia had the catastrophic misfortune to encounter.
Should be: "The only liability that night was Georgia whom Christopher McGee had the catastrophic misfortune  to encounter." The world we live in seems to be changing day by day at the moment & not for the better.
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So a pedophile gets to walk free from court after abusing a 12 and 13 year old girl yet this poor man who was doing his job gets 5 years?
Something is clearly not right with this country.
This mans life is now in tatters, whoever passed that sentence should be ashamed.
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The verdict and sentence are just wrong, wrong wrong !!!
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5 Precepts of Buddhism seem appropriate. Refrain from taking life. Refrain from taking that which is not given. Refrain from misconduct. Refrain from lying. Refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness
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