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37 grand!!...for a bit of community work...yes please!


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I suppose all the peeps that have commented on this family's misery have always paid their dues fully and never dodged a penny tax or done a days work for a back hander in their life,this woman has a family who have suffered and are still suffering leave them alone, stones and glass houses comes to mind,I wonder if we will be reading about any of you in our glorious press in the near future?

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Originally Posted by oldpm01
she could always have got off her a**e and got a job ?


Think if you read it properly she has got a job!

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What the judge said is on a par with the remarks by the judge in another case that "it takes courage to burgle someones house." 37k is a nice little earner and sentence won't discourage others from doing the same.


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Originally Posted by venice
Technically and morally yes. But, somehow a person avoiding paying the taxman from their earnings in the way you described doesnt seem as bad as someone physically having money OUT of the tax system booty bag, that the rest of us have already possibly scrimped to put IN . But - it is really the same and people who are caught not declaring earnings, ARE prosecuted ,albeit they probably only get a smacked hand.


Equally as bad. Many not declaring their earnings are also claiming. It's been proven many times.Not declaring earnings is viewed by the HMRC as 'guilty'. They don't really have grading systems.
HMRC have powers beyond powers and can implicate anyone they feel may have also colluded in the tax avidance.


A leading professional body has warned that a householder who pays a tradesman in cash in return for a discount, in the knowledge that the tradesman intends to conceal the income, could be colluding in tax fraud.

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Miles Dean, Founder of Milestone International Tax Partners, suggested that Gauke had failed to understand that paying someone in cash to avoid VAT was fraud. ‘[A VAT-registered] provider of the services is obliged by law to charge VAT – if he doesn’t and the customer agrees to pay cash without an invoice the two have colluded to defraud HMRC. This isn’t tax avoidance, it is fraud,’ he said.



http://www.taxjournal.com/tj/articl...ash-may-be-colluding-tax-fraud-says-ciot

So at the end of the day, Futurepast's comment has probably hit the nail on the head!

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The government says that a married couple can live on £111 a week. I'd like to see them try; they probably spend that much on lunch!
I work part time and look after my disabled wife and after a stressful year waiting for an ESA appeal she won..a massive £24 a week.

In the meantime, BILLIONS go uncollected from rich tax evaders and avoiders.

Although I'm honest I can understand why some needy people aren't. Perhaps the defecits should be addressed against the rich dodgers instead?




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Originally Posted by rocks
off topic but this is also whats worrying for people who are being told to take in a lodger to help with the bedroom tax, how will it work? and how many people will pretend their partners are just lodgers if it benefits them, it seems a very grey area!


Rocks, I think people can charge up to a certain amount, tax free for lodgers. It used to be £75 per week you would need to check it out. Therefore, that would cover the extra BT if applicable. Nice little earner if you can do it!

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A bit off the topic - apologies ( I tend to wander off topic every now and again it helps the brain to tick over)

I think I've read taking something as trivial as a pen or pencil or roll of sellotape from the work place is classified as stealing. (Can it be used as an excuse to sack you?)
I feel a bit guilty taking a pen or pencil from Argos or a betting shop - am I guilty of stealing from them?

Please don't name and shame me or put me in the stocks if so

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Originally Posted by derekdwc
A bit off the topic - apologies ( I tend to wander off topic every now and again it helps the brain to tick over)

I think I've read taking something as trivial as a pen or pencil or roll of sellotape from the work place is classified as stealing. (Can it be used as an excuse to sack you?)
I feel a bit guilty taking a pen or pencil from Argos or a betting shop - am I guilty of stealing from them?

Please don't name and shame me or put me in the stocks if so


Derekdwc....shame on you shocked Yes, pilfering from the work place is or can be viewed as a sackable offence. Not your property!! Simple


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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by rocks
off topic but this is also whats worrying for people who are being told to take in a lodger to help with the bedroom tax, how will it work? and how many people will pretend their partners are just lodgers if it benefits them, it seems a very grey area!


Rocks, I think people can charge up to a certain amount, tax free for lodgers. It used to be £75 per week you would need to check it out. Therefore, that would cover the extra BT if applicable. Nice little earner if you can do it!


I always thought that in council and WPH properties you weren't allowed to rent a room to a non dependant
If it allowed ,what sort of check can be made on that person

I shudder to think of the type of person who could move in to your home (murderer, rapist, child molester,thief,druggie or drug dealer selling drugs from your home and what rights would you have to evict them

Maybe some of these posts should have been in the bedroom tax topic - sorry

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Originally Posted by granny
[quote=derekdwc]A bit off the topic - apologies ( I tend to wander off topic every now and again it helps the brain to tick over)

I think I've read taking something as trivial as a pen or pencil or roll of sellotape from the work place is classified as stealing. (Can it be used as an excuse to sack you?)
I feel a bit guilty taking a pen or pencil from Argos or a betting shop - am I guilty of stealing from them?
Please don't name and shame me or put me in the stocks if so



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Dont think anyone is going to hang you for that Derek - is anyone 100% innocent of such 'crimes'? !!

BUT -- I remember as a small child, walking in the countryside in Spring with my 'before his time ' 'green' grandad .He showed me a patch of unusual wild flowers . I rushed over to pick some and I was sternly rebuked because 'other countryside lovers following the path this day, would love to see this rare patch' . I protested -one or two wouldnt make any difference, but it fell on deaf ears. Walking in the same place a few days later- not a flower in sight! The explanation from my grandad - all the people following on the walk that day werent as thoughtful as us, they probably all picked 'just one or two' and look whats happened.
Of course in actual fact the flowers had just died a natural death , but he had made a point I could understand at a young age , and Ive never forgotten the lesson.

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Originally Posted by venice
Of course in actual fact the flowers had just died a natural death , but he had made a point I could understand at a young age , and Ive never forgotten the lesson.

What? Never listen to your Grandad?

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More money is evaded from the top earners but the media and the government send us on a which hunt for those at he bottom of society. Off shore accounts, second homes, expenses to name just a few. As a mother she has one obligation in life, to her children by what ever means. I think we shouldn't p:ss in our own back yard i know a lot of people that aren't 100% truthful and if your honest with yourselves you know some yourselves. What good for the goose....... And for those a the bottom of society its about keeping your head above water.

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Agreed , we should really hammer the tax evaders at the highest levels starting with big firms and working downwards. Its all politics that we dont.

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