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just seen stickers on our brown bins as of 1st june wirral council will be charging £35 per yr to empty your brown bin absolutley disgusted at this and think it will be the start of paying for all bins to be emptyed if people subscribe to it how the hell they getting away with this?????

start of wirral having people dumping garden rubbish everywere cant wait


http://www.wirral.gov.uk/my-service...wn-garden-waste-bins/garden-waste-charge

Yep got one on my bin today.

Surely Council Tax is for services provided by the Local Authority ?

That's what I was just going to ask....absolutely disgusting this....just don't understand where all this extra money is supposed to come from every year !!
This country is grinding us into the ground

I was asked did I want a brown bin I said not really good job I wouldn't be getting it emptied

I thought we were doing them a favour providing free composting material which they then sell on after processing. Seeing as I only use mine about four times a year I think I can live without it - like we used to.

Very simple black bag in green bin been doing it for years

The Brown Bin Collections are not even all year round if i remember correctly. This is surely going to spill over in to peoples green bins.

£35 is way over the top.
The garden waste goes to be recycled into energy somewhere between here and chester if i remember.

There seems to be a lot of back handed tax going on at the moment.

Ok you pay £35 whats to stop a Naughty Neigbour or a Kid dumping there green waste into your brown bin. This is where its going to get stupid. If i was paying for that service i would be very very wary of 1. My Bin Bin Out side while i was at work. 2. If i'm at work whos to stop the opportunist to dump there cuttings into my bin.

Scrap the Bin Service.
We should all just go back to throwing everything in the one bin.

What will people do with the brown bins if they don't want to pay?

I am sure we can GUARANTEE the "bin spies" will be out looking for folk putting garden stuff in the green bins. Personally I have padlocks on my bins until the days I put them out - otherwise I get dog muck bags dumped in there.

Snod

I suppose anyone with a garden will have to subscribe to it. Probably resulting from the little 'questionaire' we were all requested to fill in. No doubt, those without a garden couldn't see why they should pay towards the service of those who used it. It doesn't mean to say that anyone will get any refund for not having one.
Hey ho! Yes, I'm sure we'll pay it and if they then put a cost on the brown and the green bins, so be it. We'll all be in it together!!

How are they going to monitor it? The cost of monitoring the whole of Wirral, whether they have paid their £35 per year or not, is likely to cost more to implement than the service itself! Or does anyone know how it will be done?

Back to Plan A, dumping the grass cuttings in the compost heap. Rarely use the brown bin- just for leaves in Autumn.

I have had mine emptied twice in the last 28 weeks, which would mean on average I would be paying £8.75 per empty. They love to ignore my bin.

Its a shit service.

K

dump all your garden waste on the Town Hall Steps!

pretty sure part of my council tax is for waste collection, but where i live we get 'biffa' bins and a separate collection than the council one is done for our bins...

must look into that

Ho hum, back to burning it again!

I need a new compost bin so im drilling some holes in my brown bin, sawing a hole in the front and giving it a new life as a composter,....job done......... up yours .....wirral borough council

Just been chatting to a collegue about this - he lives in Nottingham. Apparently he has been paying £20 per year for his garden waste bin, so its not a new thing being tried by our council - maybe something to bring them in line with other councils...??

Not saying its right, just adding some info

I cant believe this, my brown bin was not put back last year by the bin men, so i had to cough up £30 for a replacement and now we are going to have to pay to have it emptied!! well i will be making a compost heap too!!

Bedroom tax. Brown bin tax what next???

Great idea think we will do the same.

I was about to say that myself!! Nice little bonfire in the garden!!

So does this mean I can throw my garden waste in my grey bin? Its recyclable waste isnt it? Pissed off big time here

I havn't got much in my garden so any garden rubbish will go in the green bin like it did in my old house

I pay over £1500 a year in Council tax - WTF do they do with it......

if like pegsgirl, your bin isnt put back after being emptied, ring the depot and check it hasnt fallen into the back of the truck, binmen are not allowed to try and get bins out and they end up mangled. happened to us recently and we were given a new bin. this plan to charge £35 is disgusting .

They get themselfs a great big buffet laid on for the next meeting of how there going to shaft us

Good question.

There's another Wirral Open Golf Championships returns next year. 'Hospitality' might be one point of consideration. There is one lot of money spent on that. I'm almost sure it crippled the council last time(2006) as it was after that, they started to make all the redunancies, starting with the tourism department but,....there will be the magnificent hanging baskets, manicured grass verges, filled in potholes,a tribe of volunteers all being supplied with meals and uniforms, mobile phones by the score, taxis, and all the profits in the food and drink dept. will go to the 'corporates' on site.

They have cut pretty much all their event funding this year.

Wallasey Motor Club normally get a small, but essential grant to help with the Prom Rally every year. We (WMC) have already been told that this year the funding will not be available, and it has put the event at risk of not happening if we cannont find funding from other forms of sponsorship.

Back to using green bin then. Used for all rubbish going to landfill. As far as I can see you can put almost anything in it. May need a bigger green bin though, or paint it green.

Like many people on here i rarely put my brown wheely out, maybe 2/3 times a year, i got a warning letter with a threat of a fine because someone had put a bag o sh!@e in my grey wheely on the day of collection, so rather than give the third reich an excuse to fine me i know take black bin bags to the tip once my green wheely is full... Had enough of all this now!! £1500 quid a year for what!! I have never called the police, or fire brigade, No egg run no wirral show, potholes everywhere !! There will be a congestion charge next in birkenhead !!!

Well, would you rather have it in your bin or on the ground? I know what I would prefer.

They're not fixing the potholes in the roads, for sure. Just had to get another wheel bearing done.

In Hoylake and West Kirby, yes, while the rest of Wirral has to make do.

Is it alright calling it a "Bin Tax"

If you don't like it, you can always downsize to a 2 Bin House.

well then lets have a wiki wirral meet 1st of june and dump all our garden waste on the town hall steps hahaha.

edit: that was a joke before a swat team storm my house.

Take pictures of the pot hole and send the council an invoice for the work done to your car.
If they deny the claim see a solicitor cos they will pay up!

http://potholes.co.uk/claims/how_to_claim

Other bins
Charges to dump stuff at the tip

My rates are £2167 pa for a house with 2 adults living there. Come back the Poll Tax (being provocative now I know)

Snod

There is a pavement bin 10 yards away but the buggers STILL dump the bags in my bin. In part that is because the pavement bin is often full - I have seen cars stop and stuff bags of rubbish in the pavement bin. These are often parents dropping kids off at the school just down the road. Nice plan - drop off the kids and minimise the stuff in their own bins by using the pavement bin. Humph ! Yes, I have photographed them but (as yet) have not done anything with the pics.

Snod

Last time I photographed the mums dropping off their kids I got put on the sex offenders list ;-)

I can assure you I am WELL aware of that sort of potential problem and I photograph the cars/ numberplates ONLY

S.

I suggested on the Bedroom Tax thread that once they'd screwed as much as they could out of people in social housing and those on benefits that they'd be looking at other avenues to raise money.

This won't be the last of it, it's just the start.

To those people who thought Bedroom Tax was a fine and fair idea: watch your backs. And your bank balances.

Ive just got the letter through the door.

I found that if you want to enter the scheme late you still have to pay in full. BUT if your bin is not collected then you would only be compensated. Wouldn't it be fair to have the same fee's for both sides.

We dont use the Brown Bin in all fairness.
But my partners mum has a front garden and a back garden can not drive and is a OAP so she is stuck. She has no choice but to pay.

My point being the old and the ones who can not drive end up paying or have limited options.

I wonder if i can just put my green cuttings down the side of my green bin.

I hope someone creates a legal challenge to this. Why should we pay when i would imagine other counties do not?

you can put cuttings in the green bin.I only had hedges didn't have a garden,thats what all the neighbours did no one had brown bins

Disgusting! What will they put a tax in next? £35 a year......I don't think so! No..... I wont be paying that.......I don't always put my bin out cos there's not much in it, and in the winter hardley ever! So why should I pay £35......I'll just go back to before we had brown bins........just wondering if they're going to get us for green and grey bins! what is council tax for?

I'm not paying £35 quid to get my brown bin emptied it only gets full in the summer when the grass gets cut my back garden is quite big.I'll just go to the tip it's only down the road

cheeky b*stards will be charging people for spare rooms next

The council website said this service is optional,so if you
dont pay,your bin wont be collected.And they will take away your
old brown bin in the summer,!!!!!!!!
We are not paying it anyway,who's with us

Well it will be one less bin taking up space

Who? name and shame this person who created this charge, I have a house and large garden, and accepted I paid higher council tax because of the garden. believing my garden waste was calculated in the rates on the property, before it was green, brown or grey bins and my garden waste would be removed in my dustbin, Will the council now reduce my rates? Council tax for not fulfilling their duty to remove my garden waste which they have done fore the last 40 years

Register for payment then within 14 days cancel it to annoy the council and keep a person in a job

take the door off it is open plan

Just buy a composter I paid a tenner for mine so I never use the brown bin anyway and I have a lot of good growing compost x

Not read all of the comments here, but I am glad this has happened. i live in an attic flat, why should some of my council tax go towards emptying other peoples bins. If your abode is lucky enough to be furnished with a garden, that you look after yourself then £35 a year isn't much to have someone else take your waste away. If you only have a small plot, then gang together with some neighbours and get a bin between a few of you. It's not hard. It will foster neighbourly friendships.

People just can't help finding something to whinge about - again!!

[quote=Sallybear]Not read all of the comments here, but I am glad this has happened. i live in an attic flat, why should some of my council tax go towards emptying other peoples bins.

Suppose I could say why should I pay for certain things through my taxes.

It's a further increase in council tax.

Sallybear, as much as I love you...... my family don't go to nursery,schools,or higher education any longer. Neither do I use the leisure centres etc. We can't really think in the way you descibe, we would end up with a terrible council administration disaster. e.g. the do's and the dont's, the will's and the wont's
off topic next: The parking fees in Mold are 20p.so how can they do it?

We wont be paying any fees to empty our brown bin. Paying enough in CT. Reading the leaflet today made me laugh, its like they have made it up as theyve gone along! Not paying.

Unless I'm missing something, why should a household without a garden subsidise those with a garden?

If you use it, pay for it.

Hence why the poll tax was probably a good idea...

<ducks>

Hello Boris.

well spotted Zubee

Another 'troll' reappearing ......

Pardon?

It was a genuine question.

I don't have a garden so perhaps all the £35 (£30 if paid online) will free up some cash for other things and we'll all be better off in other areas?

Just a thought.

Just sent this to bin collection department

[email protected]

Dear Sir/madam

Due to your unfair policy of now Charging for collection of garden waste I no longer require a brown bin at my property, I will arrange for collection of garden waste by a private contractor as from today. Please could you arrange for my brown bin to be collected from my property by Monday 29th April at the latest. As this bin is the property of yourselves if it is not collected by this date I will be charging you £35 per week , or part of, for storage of the bin on my property.

Yours Sincerely

Put name and address here


If everyone does this the cost of removing and storing all the bins would outweigh any money they'd make. Lets all do it....

Cut off your nose to spite your face much?

How do you think they'd want to reclaim losses?

I read somewhere the council is hoping to raise a million pounds for the brown bin collection so if we all give our brown bins back it will backfire on them power to the people

They won't make any money and you won't get a collection.

Then they look elsewhere for £1m.

We all lose.

You sound just someone else that once graced us with their wisdom, wonder who that could be ?

Is it a rarity for someone to arrive with a little common sense? Or to ask questions or look at things from a different point of view?

I'll head over to some other areas to join in with the oh-woe-is-me, it's-thatchers-fault, where-will-I-get-my-£14-a-week bollocks.

Boris/MadonnaFan, we know who you are!

Peeps, don't feed the troll

I feel sorry for anyone who signs up here with more than half a brain.

The eye of suspicion must fall on them all.

Shame.

Why you couldn't have exercised your brain instead and had a bit of a healthy chat about current affairs.

There's nothing healthy about your posts Boris

My name isn't Boris.

Is debate not healthy?

It's far too one-sided on here.

The Wirral Borough Council website states that you will be informed at a later date what the arrangements will be to collect the brown bins no longer in use.

Righty Two Drams has pointed out you can save £5 in the first year of the new scheme but you have to apply as stated online and this has a cutoff date in May.

At present in Sheffield, garden waste collection is £60 a year.

I only have my brown bin emptied twice a year so will not pay the new charge.

I think people would be willing to pay if the collection service that was being offered actually happened, unfortunately it's very hit and miss wether they turn up or not. as for everyone handing their bins back, well that won't happen because the sense of community and everyone sticking together has long gone in this country which is why we all moan at the latest tax ruses by governments and councils,and yet don't do anything about it.

In this "so-called fair" society it's only fair that if other councils have made a charge for emptying brown bins that ours should
(tongue in cheek)
I rarely use mine but it could come in handy for storing spades, forks etc or if your green bin is full you could store any extra bags in it until the green bin is empty again,


lights touchpaper and steps back

Back bag into Green Bin Just like the good old days

I would love to see this back fire on the council going green has just gone going greedy

Stick around. You might get to like us! There are quite a mixed bunch on the chat and quite diverse opinions.

There is alot of money to be made in waste, waste management & recycling these days. The council already have us WORKING for them separating our waste into different bins (we're basically providing unpaid work for the council waste segragation dept) which saves the council a significant amount of cash per year.

Think about all those metal food tins, glass jars & cardboard boxes we send to recycling plants via our council & the tonnes & tonnes of scrap metal, wood, cardboard & any electrical devices - which actually contain a small amount of Gold, that we send to the recycling centres (tip).
This stuff is worth a fortune on an industrial scale. Do the council sell this ASSET (as it's no longer waste) or just give it away. If it's sold then, surely the amount should offset or subsidise some of the cost of any bin collections, therefore lowering council tax. If they give it away, then what a fool this council really are- literally chucking away gold (& other precious resources).

The service they provide is similar to the 'rag & bone man' or that fella who comes round shouting "any old iron!". The council basically scavange our waste & possibly sell it on to recycling merchants. Where does this money go??????????????????

Waste is no longer worthless.......as the saying goes....
One Man's rubbish, is another Man's treasure.

As for the brown bin tax, this is daylight robbery.
I don't need a brown bin as i only have a yard but, all that garden waste collected across wirral is also worth something in the form of good quality compost once decomposed. I've just paid £4 for a small bag of compost for potting plants... What are the council doing with our waste?
If there was no money to be made in segragating garden waste from daily rubbish then, the council would not have gave us wirral folk FREE brown bins to do it in the first place, as the garden waste would quite easily decompose in landfill & i'm thinking it would be cheaper to send to landfill than a sh*tty nappy.
My opinion is that it's all a big con- waste isn't segragated to save the council money, it's to make money.

Think about that! GGRRRRR!!!!

Total Joke, we only have a small front garden and a back yard, so we only put it out about 3-4 times a year. We won't be paying the £35 but think we might keep the bin in the back and use it for compost bin etc.

As I said it back to putting it in the green bin, Going back to last year the council asked the people of the wirral to take part in a survey.

A question was asked "Are you prepared to pay for certain services" Guess what we are now being asked to pay, Why because of 6000+ who took part a majority said YES. I said No

This is only the start.

Before anyone says "but we have a population of 311000" they only respond to those who take part

Agreed, plus I believe there was a particular question on the survey, about charges for brown bins.
I think they intend to remove all the unused brown bins (hence, my son has alresdy had his pinched) If you have to give one back, then you still have another! I can see a lot being piched off those who will pay the £35. It will be like a 'supermarket sweep' for brown bins.
The second point which has been mentioned in an earlier post is 'recycling'. That was the whole purpose of brown bins. The blinking fuss over some poor folk who put a potato in a brown bin etc. Now 'all change' and it can go in together with the dog food, gravy, chicken bones and any old shite.
Makes my blood boil, and Granny doesn't often swear, but they are a bunch of f..ing plonkers. Not one of them could organise a 'piss up in a brewery'

Not only that, this council have wasted money for years. They are now trying to put all the blame on the present day government and making us pay for their own gross mismanagement.

All the stuff from our grey bins goes to China, did you know?

No, I for one didn't but it doesn't surprise me. They way in which we are 'cosying up' to China, we will end up with a swop system in place and swop the humble, grey bin, materials for radioactive waste.......boom!!!!

My my what a cynical bunch you all are

and one could ask why???

Swapping grey bins for radioactive waste to blow things up.

Maybe they're going to make the IED out of all the brown bins people send back!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8469249.stm

Yeh, off topic.

(That makes sense though!)

Just realised that my previous posts on here this am, may have been seen as a sarcastic response to the topic called 'Boston'. I can assure you that at that time I had not read any of those posts. Since going out to get a newspaper, it is understandable that my posts on this topic, could have been taken in the wrong context.
Apologies , as I would never make a joke out of such a devastaing tragedy.

How strange. Sons brown bin has re-appeared after being missing for a week. Mysteriously turned up outside his house!

I wonder where It`s "Bin"?

Whoever stole it doesn't need it anymore as they won't be paying the £30/35?