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Parents unfortunately have no control over their own kids tody. Also certain "social groups" prefer to spend their cash on booze/drugs and fags and neglect their kids.

I provide fruit and breakfast bars for some of my kids as their ... parents don't provide.

Teachers are more that babysitters whilst parents work or spend the day in the pub/bookies.

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Originally Posted by granny
If those are the reasons, it's not the teachers resposibility to give them breakfast and make sure they know how to behave,that is down to the parents and absolutley no reason why it should encourage strike action.
How about the 13,14 and 15 yr olds. What excuse do you give them for bad behaviour?
I cannot answer that- I do not know.
I was shocked at hearing how teachers will be paid by 'performence' of pupils.

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""Teachers’ pay and conditions are part of the entitlement of all children and young people to high standards of education "


So it's pay, pensions and conditions,



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Originally Posted by DJDuck
Parents unfortunately have no control over their own kids tody. Also certain "social groups" prefer to spend their cash on booze/drugs and fags and neglect their kids.

I provide fruit and breakfast bars for some of my kids as their ... parents don't provide.

Teachers are more that babysitters whilst parents work or spend the day in the pub/bookies.
Originally Posted by DJDuck
Parents unfortunately have no control over their own kids tody. Also certain "social groups" prefer to spend their cash on booze/drugs and fags and neglect their kids.

I provide fruit and breakfast bars for some of my kids as their ... parents don't provide.

Teachers are more that babysitters whilst parents work or spend the day in the pub/bookies.
Duck - thats what I was saying in my first comment. Why should teachers be penalised for their pupils not being fit to learn? but Hey! you carry on having a pop....... *Team N.U.T * See ya on the picket line? ha

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who is being punished i ask?

if you're looking for an icon may i suggest Arthur Scargill... as like you he wanted to bring the UK to a halt.
Too young to remember Arthur Scargill, please elaborate Sausage smile

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If those are the reasons, it's not the teachers resposibility to give them breakfast and make sure they know how to behave,that is down to the parents and absolutley no reason why it should encourage strike action.
How about the 13,14 and 15 yr olds. What excuse do you give them for bad behaviour?
I cannot answer that- I do not know.
I was shocked at hearing how teachers will be paid by 'performence' of pupils.


The pupils would have a higher standard of education if the teachers were able to teach more readily, instead of spending half the lesson waiting battling for them to behave in a sensible manner.. My daughter is a teacher and the stories she brings home would make your hair curl. You have no idea what they have to deal with and overall it's has to be down to complete lack of respect for those in authority. That comes from the home and backround they are brought up in. If the kid's werem't so disruptive within the classroom, many more would get far better results. So if anyone feels sorry for the teachers, have a word with the parents instead.

Must say, there are many who are happy to work hard and strive to get on anidst the disruption.


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Originally Posted by granny
""Teachers’ pay and conditions are part of the entitlement of all children and young people to high standards of education "


So it's pay, pensions and conditions,

Well done Sherlock clap Granny Geggin smile

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I cannot however see why teachers would want to strike. I have a great life...13 weeks hols, trips to USA, Kenya, Europe etc, finish at 3pm etc.


Richard


.......and very well paid.

Say no more.

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Well paid? No. You will not get rich in teaching. Pay starts around 19k. If you are lucky over your career, you could get up to 25k.

Holidays - Yes, it sounds great, but I know teachers who work until midnight every night. Their planning and preparation time is being taken from them. They are working through the holidays to prepare as goalposts, targets and assessment criteria keep changing. Let's be realistic, when we take this into account, a teacher is lucky to have the equivalent of 4 weeks holiday.

Pensions - A teacher might get a pension of £500 after tax a month if they are lucky. They deserve that. Now they are being asked to work to 68 (wouldn't fancy my children being taught by a 68 year old) and their pensions contributuions have gone up by 50%

Strike - Only option as Gove is out of touch and doesn't listen. His experience of school? He once went to one.


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Originally Posted by manic28_am
Well paid? No. You will not get rich in teaching. Pay starts around 19k. If you are lucky over your career, you could get up to 25k.






You need to talk to your boss.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm

NB dated 2008

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Originally Posted by NickLeg
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Well paid? No. You will not get rich in teaching. Pay starts around 19k. If you are lucky over your career, you could get up to 25k.






You need to talk to your boss.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm

NB dated 2008


And just to back that up....

http://www.education.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/teaching-salary-scales.aspx?sc_lang=en-GB

Those who are between 19k and 25k are unqualified teachers.

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A Trade Union has members, those members are allowed to vote anyway they choose. If its done within the laws of this land, there isn't a problem. If they form a union with the Labour party, that's between them and the party, people of this country have a right to vote for them or not.
Its no different to the Tory party and its billionaire backers whose money dictates policy, people don't vote for them, if they don't like it.
I get the impression that some members of this forum would prefer no trade unions, no Labour party and a one party dictatorship on similar lines to the Nazi's.


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Originally Posted by manic28_am
Well paid? No. You will not get rich in teaching.


That's probably because they spend their money on exotic holidays! Its always amusing to be in the staff room on the last day of term to hear where teachers are going for their hols.

I've worked in several schools for over ten years, I've done a wide range of jobs from IT technician to management to teaching and there are false stereotypes and accurate ones. I was also married to a teacher.

There are good, nay, great teachers who put in hours of work and effort, and there are others who do the bare minimum. We keep hearing this phrase that teachers are "ready to quit the profession" but this is an empty threat. They never do, and quite often when they retire, they come back and do supply work! Its a bit of an insult when you contribute some cash to their retirement present only to see them after the holidays!

However, one thing you cannot escape is the way teachers hate Ofsted or any kind of inspection or monitoring. These are professional people who have to maintain professional standards and they can and do dissipate over time.

I've worked in three schools which have been OFSTEDed and the days before has been sheer panic where staff have rushed round marking books, falsifying their planners to include the things that they're supposed to do, and the usual fresh coat of paint. Ofsted inspectors must think kids smell of paint!

If teachers don't have the time to mark and do complete lesson plans and paperwork then they need to stop covering up the fact and fight Ofsted to say it cannot be done.

Can you imagine going to a mechanic or dentist and knowing they'll only do a proper good job if they're being inspected?

For some reason many teachers can't accept criticism, maybe its because they spend so long telling kids what to do they don't like it done to them? When I taught, I appreciated being given pointers and advice to do my job better and in many cases, easier.

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