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Just had a quick thought to dispel any doubt, if Cameron approves it then it must be dodgy, no doubt one of his cohorts goes riding, shooting plays golf has share's etc with some TOTAL exec's, as to the French how many times have they dumped on us?

Did you actually read my post and links about the sandstone fracking site that's been operating since 1993 in Lancashire with no issues, or are you so full of hate, bias and xenophobia that you couldn't?

A sandstone fracking site that has been operating since 1993 - twenty one years - with no news reports of explosions, deaths, poisoned water, I think that classes as being safe.

Here's the link again in case you missed it:

http://www.cuadrillaresources.com/our-sites/elswick/

The website "Natural Gas Europe" claims:



http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/shale-opponents-misrepresent-risks-3719

Thought this might be worth a read. So far I haven't, in a hurry, but it might give a clearer picture.
Slightly different photo shot to the one in Lancashire on Gibbo's link.

http://blog.skytruth.org/2011/04/fracking-safe-or-not.html

Interesting photo, but Wyoming, a far cry from Lancashire, we live in England. England is about the size of New York State, the USA is not something to be making comparisons too, seriously~!

There were plans for a solar farm in North Wales. These exist in America on a much larger scale, but it didn't mean that entire North Wales would have solar panels on them.


As for Wyoming:



And just completely proves my point that people will make up their own minds based on scant information (the picture above for example) and refuse to accept anything else.

Wirral: 264 Square KM
Wyoming: 253,348 Square KM

By my rough calculations, 959 times larger. Plenty of room for a large frack site.

Don't believe me? Go to Google Maps, click on Satellite View, and see how small the site is, if you can actually find it in all that waste land.

Found more about people trying to compare Elswick with Wyoming:

http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/cuadrilla-elswick-and-some-spectacular.html



Here's Elswick on Google Maps:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=elswick,+lancashire&hl=en&ll=53.839007,-2.869663&spn=0.04239,0.111494&sll=54.967958,-1.640096&sspn=0.020619,0.055747&t=h&hnear=Elswick,+Lancashire,+United+Kingdom&z=14

Anyone want to try and pinpoint the frack site? It should only take a second if its such a huge blight on the landscape.

Just as a matter of fact, I did NOT compare the Wyoming site with anything in this country. It was a remark made as a comparison to picture only! Now, if anyone thinks that I know not about the size of this country related to the size of New York, Wyoming or any other region they might like to spout about for my benefit, then they must think that I too arrived with Pinz on the Banana boat. Lighten up, nothing has proven or attempted to be proven from a mere picture, and nobody so far is so adamant that this fracking is necessarily a bad thing.
The way in which everything is handled and quietly administered in this country, is the contentious bit. As you say Gibbo, if nobody knew there was a fracking site in Lancashire for however many years, we have to ask, why not, although If you believe that the major companies will have tiddly little wells dotted around on similar size to Elswick, financially it is not in their interest and they will undoubtedly be larger than Elswick.
That aside, it is the 'geological' implications that most are concerned about.
Why has the Government offered councils so much cash incentive? It is to put towards the infrastructure of the drilling sites, not the exploration wells.

Wow calm down I wasn't having a go at you don't turn this into something it doesn't need to be.

Whoa, just a minute, hate bias xenophobia where did all that come from? I gave my opinion, which I believe we are allowed to do on this site, I have worked for and with the French and with many Southerners, the majority of the latter being less than gracious about the North especially Mersey siders, they seem to think we are all thieves and both my college and I were subject to the usual make sure you lock your locker up, don't leave anything laying about etc, same with the French less the snide comments about the thieving, but hey that is my personal opinion based on experience, as to your site no sorry I haven't read it, as someone mentioned earlier Great Britain is not the USA if you believe its right then fine that's your opinion, I haven't accused you or your opinion.

Wow, some epic backtracking from Casper and Granny when presented with facts!

I haven't back tracked on anything, I still believe that it is not in the best interest of Wirral nor for the country, the basis of your "fact" is that a few wells have been drilled allegedly without impact on the environment, that does'nt make them safe everywhere else ( that's why the French don't want them), if your so sure and such an expert why don't you advise Cameron, or write an article for the Wirral Globe, I am sure they would be grateful for your experience and knowledge on the subject.

BOOM or SLUMP
If experience in America is replicated here, homeowners in affected areas could see their house prices fall by around 24 per cent. Live just outside them however and they could rise by 24 per cent as part of the economic boost any new fuel strikes are expected to bring.( paper article on office wall 2 years old)
I find it hard to believe the high voltage direct current system
being installed the length of Wirral has nothing to do with the gas strike. (one way at the moment, can be made reversible)
I find it even harder to believe that people think they have a say in what is going to happen. If you do, you must think you live in a democracy.

A few wells ? Try thousands. Operating for decades.

What does the French banning them have to do with anything? They're all for nuclear and have a terrible safety record, not to mention their over zealous ban of roast beef.

Incidentally, it was recently announced that France is to cut its dependency on nuclear power, so its got to find the energy from somewhere.

The problem is you're being swayed by biased media and protesters who've convinced themselves that the movie "Gasland" was real and not faked, and just remembering those things.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...roducer-misled-viewers-lighted-tap-water


You claim that "a few wells have been drilled allegedly without impact on the environment, that does'nt make them safe everywhere else".

How do you know unless trial wells are tested? How do you know that it won't be a success like Elswick? The sandstone conditions are the same here.

Or are you one of those kind of people who think we should do nothing, carry on burning the fossil fuels? Or would you prefer a nice nuclear power station at Neston?

There's already over a million fracking sites in the USA, according to Wikipedia:
"As of 2012, 2.5 million hydraulic fracturing jobs have been performed on oil and gas wells worldwide, more than one million of them in the United States."
...and oddly, neither the USA nor our tap water are exactly on fire, nor been laid waste, just yet.
As with any drilling for underground fuels, there are going to be some issues here and there - but of course the environmentalists and Hollywood are as usual, doing a great scaremongering job, between them.