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There is no excuse for what these people (ISIL) are doing, it is not because "we" invaded their country or that civilians have been killed, it is because they wish to impose their religion and their beliefs and their way of life on others even people of the same religion, they are the worst kind of bigots religious and fanatical in their beliefs, no amount of turning the other cheek will change their aim, there are many like them in this country insidious and cunning, and sad to say the only way to deal with them is to be as ruthless,they should be charged with treason and deported born here or not.

No Facebook, I will not change my profile pic for a French flag. I stand in solidarity with the people of Paris (and all the other victims of cowardly terrorism) but it is flags (national, imperial, religious) which are behind the killing. Until we learn that we are all equally human, that nations, borders, religions, ideologies divide us, not protect us, there will be killing.
Don't let hate win.

Not fussed on the new Topic Headline 'Peace for Paris -WTF??? Thousands upon thousands of innocent people die every month due to terrorist attacks.....bit close to home now and the media go crazy!!!

What is the differance between dead French people and dead Iraqui people, for instance? All Human lives are precious.

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Nah, religion is always the get-out clause used as an excuse, it is not the reason. Same with Northern/Southern Ireland, hide behind the church while doing nasty deeds for other reasons.

So you don't think that bombing them left right and centre, blowing up hospitals, over 200,000 civilian deaths and interfering with their politics isn't a big enough incentive for them having a pop back at us?

Just imagine someone (say Finland?) landing a bomb on one of our hospitals, what would out reaction be?

Unfortunately, I somehow think this could play out in a different way, Casper.

As you say, the whole purpose is to spread their doctrine and throughout Europe. There are also many who have gone to Syria or Iraq from Canada, USA, Australia and many other countries of the world.
Their ideology is being spread worldwide and the bigger picture could show that one Government or one continent will not be able to stop it.


All this terror and murder could come from any angle at any time, from nationals or migrants. Those who choose that path are terrorists with one mission and a continuation of Osama Bin Laden's mission.

Wherever they perform their atrocities , here ,France, Beirut, Egypt, it is still terrorism. The difference is that Europe have welcomed mixed race and tried to integrate, the Middle East don't, they continue to kill their own race in ways that we left behind in the middle ages. Nothing to do with flags (national, imperial, religious ) they've been fighting between themselves for the last 30/40 years and some, since the second world war. Ask the West for help and then blame us for all the wrong doings.

A bit like those in this country who quote everyone else on ethics to suit their cause, don't know what they talk about and flaunt the act of treason. (which used to carry the death sentence. Maybe it should be re-introduced !)


France may not rise up, but I think Germany and their recent approach to the influx of migrants will be the trigger to a very nasty situation, which could easily spread amongst Europe, and get out of control. Here included.

the doors should of been closed years ago but no one listened to the man who told everyone they will take over this country

So they kill and maim their own people by barbaric methods and destroy temples and historical artifacts and fight amongst themselves because "we" bombed them? I understand that the fanatic will join any cause that suits his/her agenda, but these people have the same mindset in following a distorted interpretation of the words of the Quron.

It isn't even to do with the Quran.

Jihaddi John was arrested in Tanzania after being found drunk after a ten hour drinking spree. Muslim's don't drink !

Osama Bin Laden was the son of a billionaire, and although dead, his memory and ambitions don't seem to be.


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In a May 1998 interview with ABC's John Miller, bin Laden stated that the Israeli state's ultimate goal was to annex the Arabian Peninsula and the Middle East into its territory and enslave its peoples, as part of what he called a "Greater Israel". He stated that Jews and Muslims could never get along and that war was "inevitable" between them, and further accused the U.S. of stirring up anti-Islamic sentiment...........


Bin Laden's overall strategy for achieving his goals against much larger enemies such as the Soviet Union and United States was to lure them into a long war of attrition in Muslim countries, attracting large numbers of jihadists who would never surrender. He believed this would lead to economic collapse of the enemy countries, by "bleeding" them dry. Indeed, al-Qaeda manuals clearly express this strategy. In a 2004 tape broadcast by al-Jazeera, bin Laden spoke of "bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. "
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We know that France has a large Muslim population and also the largest Jewish population outside of USA and Israel. I still think Paris is being targeted for this specific reason, and of course the French are very anti-Semitic.
One assailant identified as French with Algerian origin. There are many of them in France.

Well it looks like his plan is coming to fruition, the worlds economies are certainly taking a hit, the bombings and killings are part of a well thought out strategy to undermine the West, we are now being asked to invite the enemy within I know this sounds dreadful but in essence we have the proverbial Trojan horse, and to repeat what I wrote earlier there are many more here that although not as radicalised have sympathies with and will offer refuge to them (ref the Wallasey family arrested on suspicion of internet activity) the best we can do is to be alert to left baggage and suspicious actions of individuals, I know it sounds paranoid but it may help to avert an attack.

All because their imaginary friend is better than our imaginary friend, is better than your imaginary friend............is better than......

Don't forget the security forces are not exactly unbiased in this. The more scared we are, the more money and power they get.

I would rather run the risk of being killed by a terrorist - which is tiny - than turn the country into a police state. When security forces get too powerful they have a very bad record of taking over and running the nation - usually with considerable brutality too.

Our parents went through the war, being bombed by the Luftwaffe, and our cities were largely demolished by it. We survived it. Terrorists are a trivial threat by comparison. We need a sense of proportion about this.

This is a different threat altogether excoriator. Whilst not taking anything from the wars and both my parents served in the forces, at least you knew who your enemy was. These things are prepared to blow themselves up and take out as many as possible. Terrorism a trivial threat , I don't think so! I don't care what precautions are put into place to protect us if it keeps me and mine safe so be it..

One point is though, they had some warning when the German bombs were coming. There are no such warnings with terrorist strikes.

Exactly Dilly. I hope truly hope these terrorist attacks never get personnel for anybody on this forumn because I guess none of us know how that would change our views. Again I pray that never happens.