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On some 19th century maps (OS 6" 1st edition) its not marked as a pub but is marked as a Blacksmiths, no idea whether this was a mistake in the early surveys.

Some readers react to the news ...

https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/24817252.reaction-hotel-chains-planned-demolition-glegg-arms

Still not found anything so far that suggests that there is a C17th inn hidden in there, or on the site ....



https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/381114

https://online.wirral.gov.uk/planning/index.html?fa=getApplication&id=230376

Not a listed building and not a preservation area so you can't stop the owners knocking it down, all they have to do is inform the Council and show how safety is managed.

The new building is in keeping with the existing travelodge and similar use and size of old building so its unlikely permission can be refused for the new build.

I preferred the Glegg to the Devon Doorway when I lived nearby.

A few years on and, having been alerted that Whitbread have a planning application in to demolish the pub, a search had thrown up this thread.

The pub has also known as, from one of the photos, as Glegg's Arms.

https://whatpub.com/pubs/WIR/077/glegg-arms-heswall

Now slated for demolition with a planning application in, to be considered under delegated powers.

APP/24/01225 Full Planning Permission

Glegg Arms Chester Road, Gayton, Wirral, CH60 3SD

Demolition of existing hotel restaurant and replacement with new building providing additional hotel bedrooms, together with alterations to the car park and all associated works

Heswall

Received Date: 28-08-2024
Valid Date: 04-12-2024
Expiry Date: 29-01-2025

Consultation on the application ends: 11-01-2025

It looks like the whole site comprising the hotel, car park, and 'pub' is regarded as a single planning unit.

The historical, C19th, elements appear to have been fairly well trashed over many years, and are vestigial.

Use class is asserted as C1, though the Heritage Statement for example includes seven historical references to use as a public house, and then:

2.26 To the interior the building has been significantly altered to accommodate modern public house and restaurant requirements and expectations.

There was a suggested C17th connection, which seems a little tenuous …

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Glegg_Arms,_Gayton_-_geograph.org.uk_-_381114.jpg

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/new...merseyside-pub-could-demolished-30641990

An update/feedback has gone to CAMRA's Wirral (WIR) branch.

Stats on ice are often greatly obfuscated eg using area not volume, segregating sea ice and land ice etc, it makes it difficult to form an opinion at to what is exaggeration or misleading.

There are additional complex factors such as the land bounce-back when sea levels rise, the partial flotation reduces pressure.

There is also very little information on the effects of tectonic movement on sea level.

I know the predictions are struggling but of course air pressure, air movement, salt movement and gravitational changes of other bodies etc all affect the distribution of water and its only relatively recently we have figures that could truly be called mean sea levels.

I think it fascinating that we have huge tidal range differences within the UK, Bristol and Liverpool are huge, Mull of Kintyre is tiny. From a basic map the reasons are not obvious and over time you'd expect scouring/deposition to have levelled depth and hence ranges.

The dam plans are all located around rock Ferry/New Ferry and won't do anything to protect Liverpool.

I think its coming a lot quicker than anyone thinks. A tide Gauge in Savannah recently showed a 7" rise since 2010. This is the biggest but all gauges on the East coast of the USA are showing comparable rises. The rise is not uniform, for a variety of reasons. Liverpool might be lucky, but equally it might not.

I can't see Embankments doing much to help. A back of an envelope calculation of how much the sea level will rise if all land ice goes shows a rise of 70 to 100 metres. I can't see much of Liverpool being visible if that's the case. I don't think the Canute policy has a snowflake in Hell's chance of working.

I have just read some further posts. Absolute disgrace to demolish such a fine redbrick building. There was a patio at the rear which looked across to North Wales. Had a small Orchard and what was called the Dell on the side with a little cave, fond memories but, as mentioned criminal to knock it down. I drove down Eleanor Road some years ago to see it again, failed to locate as I was unaware it was no longer standing.

My Aunt Pat and Uncle Frank Keating lived at Weldon from the late 1950s until it was sold to the Roman Catholic Church in1971. I lived there for a while when my Father died in 1961 Frank owned Autometals, a small fabrication works in Little Grange Road, they were quite well off, my Cousin Judith used to keep horses in the paddock at the bottom of the garden. The house was derelict when they bought it and had to be completely refurbished with a full size snooker table in one of the bedrooms. If I remember correctly it had once belonged to a local family who had a business Philip Son and Nephew who where Booksellers.
My Aunt was religious, local Priests were frequent visitors but in the family she was considered 'robbed ' at the price it was sold for.

Do you think modern buildings last 100 years? There are plenty that have come and gone in my lifetime yet many temporary structures built during WW2 and Victorian properties are still solid.

Embankments will be built if necessary, they may choose to dam the Mersey as that would also protect Garston, Ellesmere Port, Widnes, Halewood, Mickle Trafford, Little Stanney, Stanlow, Sutton Weaver etc which are also reported as high risk before 100 years. There isn't much River Flow down the Mersey so that could be pumped out.

The bigger problem than sea levels is wave heights which are much harder to defend in immediate vicinity to the coast.

There are still a lot of things going on that are not understood, the experts are changing theorems on a regular basis, which they should, but it would be good if at least one theorem stuck around for a while.

I see the Liverpool City Region environmental plan relies quite heavily on encouraging salt marshes as a means of carbon capture to achieve Net Zero in a remarkedly short time, I can't wait to see how that pans out into reality.

Do people building as close to the Mersey and in the and in the docks as possible understand that their lower stories will very likely be underwater in 100 years?

Liverpool One. built largely on the original pool seems vulnerable and Everton's new stadium will be looking pretty soggy too.

I've often said the if you force targets on people you end up with liars and cheats, this was my suspicion in the Lucy Letby "baby murderer" case. Here was a hospital department failing badly on targets.

Lucy was convicted without any hard evidence, primarily on statistics and opinion, here are some points to consider ....


A number of senior statisticians have stated that the way the statistics were used and interpreted was completely unsafe.

Her own boss admitted that she had made misleading statements.

The medical expert has changed his mind about three of the cases and now believes they were not murder.

The systems used to show when she was on the ward have been blown apart as totally unreliable data.

A lot of accusations happened retrospectively after considerable periods of time, it took over a year for this supposed information of murder to filter up the management chain.

The department's consultants will be very aware that some of the deaths could end their careers.

There was a huge trial by media with a heavy bias towards her being guilty.

To me it smells of a scapegoat scenario for a failing department or plain bad luck. She might be guilty, she might not, but she is innocent until proven guilty and there is no credible evidence that she is guilty. There undoubtedly has been some unsafe convictions against her.

Hi,
Im desperately seeking any images of victoria road, new brighton from the late 60 - early 70s.
Especially the empress club if possible.
This was a special place for my father and late mother. Id lovd to find some images for him if possible.
Many thanks in advance,
Michelle.

Hi, i know this is a super old thread, but im searching for puctures of the Empress club for my dad.
Cant find sny anywhere snd none of the lunks on theses old threads work. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Im looking for any pictures of the Empress Club in New Brighton, and come across thrmis thread.
I cant seem to view the images for some reason, could someone help or share any images, please.
Many Thanks.

The Echo has done an updated version of that article 4 years later https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/tiny-house-between-two-alleyways-30529133