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DD you've clearly got WAYYYY too much time on your hands

Great to see such a good turn out however many it actually was

Did I mention I started to count them yesterday?

All I can say for sure is that not many bought ice-creams off me

Silly question DD. I'd rather the man didn't say anything as I am totally fed up with his bull s..t and tactics. A creep of great proportions and tonight he has really hissed me off. So no vote for him. Not that it ever was my intention to vote for a Trotskyite, with a Marxist as a back up , but I always keep my options open in these matters. 2 down, 3 to go.....

What is wrong with free education and a free health services?

What is wrong with bringing essential infrastructure back under UK control?

If you want "bull s..t and tactics" there is the obvious experts of that to vote for. Corbyn has no track record of this.

The way the numbers pan out, if you vote for any party apart from Labour and Conservative then you are effectively voting Conservative.

Who would run the most successful Government? The answer is probably the Conservatives. But its the country and its people as a whole that have to be successful not just a small group of people.

NOTHING is FREE DD. Health, education, are paid for by the tax payer. Free at the point of use, and to those who don't pay taxes.

Population increases is probably the greatest drawback to returning to the good old days.

Railways... back into public ownership. energy into public ownership, telecommunication back into public ownership ?

I think that was when the rot started. Strike after strike after strike....many still remember those dark days.

We could have a re -run and total control of the masses if we returned to that agenda and he and his cronies know it.

I also believe it was the beginning of privatisation in the first place and all connected to the EU agenda as they didn't want the strikes either. France had also had her fair share of strikes.
One reason to stop the country being brought to it's knees ever again.

Thanks for the info Rudebox; a great shot of the Marine Lake area.

When were they? I think the ones you are referring to were after the nationalisation of much of our infrastructure.



There is also water, electricity, gas, nuclear power stations.

How ridiculous is it when a foreign government owns our electricity supply? Its already nationalised but by the wrong nation!

Our rail network is the dearest and most inefficient in Europe.

How ridiculous is it when I can travel in one direction at £18 for 360 miles but it costs me over £100 to travel half that distance in the other.

Germany, France Austria, Sweden etc etc all have nationalised industries and even have things like Hotel chains in state ownership.

Even local buses and other local council services are operated by foreign countries - its madness!



There are still a lot of strikes, its just that the media do not publicise them like they used to and also that they have effectively been outlawed in some cases. There are far more people being abused by employers now than in the 70s.

The whole structure at the moment is unstable, there is an excessive amount of money travelling upwards, there is money travelling outwards but there is no money travelling downwards or inwards - this is unsustainable.



Its not about controlling the masses, its about controlling the environment and infrastructure.

How long would you put up with a neighbour owning a shilling coin machine on your bathroom door?

On paper nothing. In reality:

Free education for all will cost a fortune. Corbyn hasn't even fully costed that promise. If its made too easy then everyone will go to university for a year to doss around then just drop out. Those who got a grant did that when I was there - we lost over half of the first year students.

Free health service always has been and always will be free. If you want to start the old chestnut about privatisation then you need to look at Labour who started that ball rolling. There's a really good article on the web which shows which MPs (and its ALL three main parties) have links to private health companies.

UK infrastructure under UK control? British Rail of the 70s is a good example of that, or when the Post Office ran the telephones. The UK cannot competently do public services. If they could, then there would be no competition to Royal Mail.

If it wasn't for the nationalisation of the rail services in 1948 they would probably hardly exist today. After building the railways back up the biggest damage was done in the Beeching era, some of that was necessary but it went way too far.

Health services are far from free, look at dentists, opticians, prescriptions and huge waiting lists (its hardly a free service if it is not being done!). Many People are disabled, dysfunctional and in pain because no free health service is available for them.

Many student loans are never paid back, I have a student loan of around of about £20,000 which unless I win the lottery will never be paid back. The real cost isn't that high but the Government have the loans as paper assets to balance their books, in reality it is a disguised cost.

It has been a big excuse for Universities to charge more for their services and expand. Drop out rates are huge because of the greed of the Universities, many students are taken on that are just not capable of completing the courses.

The Universities are gradually learning how to play the game, if industry and the Government are not prepared to pay for research then the Universities commercialise and sell the results of their research, many Universities now produce products (English?). At one time it would have been the country that reaped the profits but now it is not.

I've always thought you got into a University on the strength of your exam results.
Personally I think certain courses like maths, the sciences and medical should have a higher priority than some others.

well said granny, I also remember those dark days, struggling to bring 3 kids up during strike after strike. Often brought about by little tin pot shop stewards who followed the whims certain union leaders

Yeah, these terrible people that went on strike so they could have a nice little holiday without pay and live off their vast savings. Must be true because that's what the tory propaganda machine says .

Strikes are not a trivial things, it causes enormous hardship, we didn't have food banks back then to support us. One or two tin pot stewards couldn't convince families to go without out food, the workers were already desperate, they had no choice but to strike or be walked all over.

There are enough documentaries about all the main strikes, watch them, you will see suffering on an enormous scale not a load of "lefties" having a field day.

Where are they now?

Coal - gone.
Steel - gone.
Electricity - gone.
Gas - gone.
Ship building - gone.
Post offices - gone.
Royal mail - gone.
Railways - gone.
Car manufacture - gone.
Fishing - gone.
Water - gone.
Nuclear - gone.

All virtually demolished or sold off to foreign countries. We can't have a load of Olivers asking for more can we!

There are plenty of reasons why all those industries have gone. Many have gone to overseas because they can do it cheaper or better. That affects all Western nations, not just the UK.

Its like all these people who whinge about the Poles or other foreigners coming here to take our jobs.

UK coal has been too sulphurous to burn for many years, which is why we use imports. Unless you don't care about the environment and acid rain and want a return to the days of smog?

As for the UK car industry. Doing quite well:

UK car production hits 17-year high as industry issues Brexit warning
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/27/uk-car-industry-has-its-best-month-in-17-years

Or would you prefer to return to the days of BL and Austin Rover and the UK churn out poor quality cars nobody wants?

As for water, one wonders if it was sold off because of the impending EU rules about to be imposed because of how disgusting we were at dumping our waste into rivers and the sea:

A bit more about power stations using wood pellets over coal and the reasons why here:

https://www.drax.com/technology/this-is-how-you-make-a-biomass-wood-pellet/

There are loads of other EU countries dumping raw sewage long after 1998 - Greece, Italy, Ireland and Spain in the last few years, some are still doing it.

There is no significant UK car industry, the big producers are not UK companies. As for quality, compare BL to Ford, Vauxhall, Renault, Fiat and Alfa in the 70s they all had their problems, cars were being built to a budget, longevity was not a key factor.

The coal industry is increasing in this country again.