Can anyone say what 'The Duane' and 'The Ayne' (maybe a river?)are? I think this map is quite recently done by an artist and would like to know where and how he got the names
Would agree with the Duanes idea being the sand dunes. But the Birket is called the Birket further along the stream. Wonder if Ainsdale has a connection with the word Ayne?
It seems to have for Bidston hill telegraph poles etc, the fender and the Birket were never named until they built the docks, I think Ayne is the area and I've seen it mentioned somewhere on one of the history forums on WikiWirral, a few years ago we had one about the Fender and the Birket about how far the names went back, hope this helps Derek.
Duane is Duans and is Dunes, all that area was sand dunes, which were removed to use as building materials for half of the North West in the 1800s
My first post has click to get to the Rivers topic
It just seemed to me the blue names along a blue lines for streams/brooks may have meant the name of it. Maybe different areas may have had their own local name for the water as it flowed through their area. Having said that I'm wondering what the Carrs was/is
Just had a look on The Cheshire Sheaf 2cds available for £10 from Cheshire Local History Association. - It's quite good
APRIL 16, 1902. NOTES. [613] THE RENTAL OF THE EARL OF DERBY, FOR HIS WIRRAL PROPERTY, 1521-2. (Continued from No. 589.) In the following portion the Rental still deals with lands in the parish of Bidston, including the townships of Moreton and Saughall Massey. Perhaps the most interesting reference is that to the fishery " in the water of Ayne called Dowble- Dyke." There can hardly be any doubt that here we have an early name for the little stream which still drains the northern end of the Wirral Peninsula and which is now known as The Fender. There is only this one stream in Bidston parish, with two branches, one draining the flat lands as far as Newton Carrs at the end of West Kirby Hill and the other flowing from the district near Prenton and Barnston. Both these streams unite on the Bidston Marsh and are both called the Fender, though the Ordnance folk have invented the name Birket for the former branch. Near the point where they unite are some dykes or banks, probably of considerable age, built to prevent the overflowing of the meadows by the high tides coming up Wallasey Pool. These may represent the "Dowble Dyke" mentioned in the document. The word Ayne is itself very interesting. It is no doubt the Celtic word Afon or Avon, meaning water.
"The Duans" are shown on the first map on the link you listed Derek. I too think it must be "dunes". How old is that colour map you posted? I suspect it might not be as old as it is meant to look? "The Aynes" fascinates me and I would love to know exactly what it referred to.
My first post has click to get to the Rivers topic
It just seemed to me the blue names along a blue lines for streams/brooks may have meant the name of it. Maybe different areas may have had their own local name for the water as it flowed through their area. Having said that I'm wondering what the Carrs was/is
Carr is an old name for bog, marsh or fenland. Could The Carrs just be a description of what the area was like?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
It seems to have for Bidston hill telegraph poles etc, the fender and the Birket were never named until they built the docks, I think Ayne is the area and I've seen it mentioned somewhere on one of the history forums on WikiWirral, a few years ago we had one about the Fender and the Birket about how far the names went back, hope this helps Derek.
Duane is Duans and is Dunes, all that area was sand dunes, which were removed to use as building materials for half of the North West in the 1800s
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Derekdwc beat me to this by providing a transcription. Here is an image of the document from the Cheshire Sheaf.
As Derek stated, the Cheshire Sheaf is available from Cheshire Record Office - 2x CDs for £10 Cheshire Sheaf CDs at Cheshire Record Office - make sure you get the set of instructions. The Cheshire Sheaf CDs will also be available at the Greasby Local History Fair on 12th April 2014.
Interesting - the current Lingdale Coarse Fishery - runs right next to what is called the Birket and has a feed off it for fresh 'oxygenated' water... could that be the fishery mentioned ?
