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Yeah Rude it still puzzles me.
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Just in case no ones seen the website set up on his behalf. http://chedevans.com
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Ste your quote " I believe this man is innocent."
You arrived at this conclusion obviously having sat through the trial, listened carefully and fully considered all the evidence I suppose
_______ You have your opinions I have mine, there's plenty of cases of wrongful imprisonment in this country be it murder, assault or whatever. Don't brlive everything you read in the papers, most of its exaggerated.
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I have visited Ched Evans website, and nothing it contains changes my mind about his guilt in fact it strenghtens my view that the decision was right, this was a predatory act on a young vunerable girl, have they no self respect or decency they all behaved dispicably, Evans sneaked in after his friend used her, like a thief in the night how low can you get, an opportunist rapist, his girfriend states he is innocent he would never do that, and how they lie in bed together dreaming of an idylic life(sickening) and yet the facts are there.
Ste thinks he is innocent which is his right, however to suggest that he was picked on because he is a footballer is laughable, the best defence team, the best expert witnesses and yet he was found guilty, on appeal still guilty, I to have served on a jury also and to suggest that they can be swayed ormanipulated by one or two people is so far out, if they werent all in agreement then there would have been a retrial.
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Originally Posted By: organiser
Ste your quote " I believe this man is innocent."
You arrived at this conclusion obviously having sat through the trial, listened carefully and fully considered all the evidence I suppose
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You have your opinions I have mine, there's plenty of cases of wrongful imprisonment in this country be it murder, assault or whatever.
Don't brlive everything you read in the papers, most of its exaggerated.
Ste....As you can see from original post, I never offered an opinion, simply asked you a question which you did not answer
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Apologies for the cut and paste of the following text from another source, but I think it sums up the situation perfectly: The official position is that Ched Evans was convicted of rape and sentenced to 5 years, he has served roughly half his sentence and has been released on license or parole, if he violates the terms of his parole he can be returned to prison with no further trial.
So he hasn't served his time, his sentence is not over.
The fact that he doesn't believe he has done anything wrong beyond an act of infidelity to his fiancé is immaterial, he was convicted as a rapist and will remain so, barring being given leave to appeal which has so far been refused, and that appeal succeeding, which seems unlikely given that there is no new evidence.
He will have to attend regularly and sign the sex offenders register precluding him from ever working abroad and as far as I'm aware this will continue for the rest of his life, his punishment will continue indefinitely it will never be 'spent'.
People are saying he has been rehabilitated, he hasn't, to be rehabilitated means accepting the crime and giving reasonable assurance that there will be no repetition, he doesn't think he's done anything wrong so he can give no such reasonable assurance
And as usual no thought is being given to the female victim in all this who has had to move and change her name for the fifth time, was denied time with her family and friends at Christmas, and is still being hounded and vilified by Mr Evans fans via their website, at no time has Mr Evans expressed remorse or regret for this, at no time has he asked his fans to leave the victim alone, during all this time he lives in relative comfort while the victim is pursued and forced to give up her life time after time.
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Yes a good post. Why should a convicted criminal who has not completed his punishment by half, come out of prison and carry on a luxury lifestyle as if nothing has happened. He is laughing at us all and especially the victim.He shows no remorse and therefore no respect for his victim or in fact any girl. Young lads will idolize him and it is a deception that he is putting to them. Wrong wrong wrong. Oldham Athletic should be boycotted by everyone, fans and sponsors alike if they employ him.
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Dont normally comment on things like this but
a. Guilty or innocent he was involved somewhere along the line
b. Does his fiance have no self respect- ooh no hes a footballer, pound signs. My husband would be out the door with his bin bag of clothes!
c. When will girls (referring to alleged victim)take some responsibility for their own actions. Yes, as a teenager in the 70's I went out clubbing, had a few drinks but knew when to stop and keep myself safe.
ive two daughters 32 and 21 and knew i could trust them to keep safe
rant over!
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I have visited Ched Evans website, and nothing it contains changes my mind about his guilt in fact it strenghtens my view that the decision was right, this was a predatory act on a young vunerable girl, have they no self respect or decency they all behaved dispicably, Evans sneaked in after his friend used her, like a thief in the night how low can you get, an opportunist rapist, his girfriend states he is innocent he would never do that, and how they lie in bed together dreaming of an idylic life(sickening) and yet the facts are there.
Ste thinks he is innocent which is his right, however to suggest that he was picked on because he is a footballer is laughable, the best defence team, the best expert witnesses and yet he was found guilty, on appeal still guilty, I to have served on a jury also and to suggest that they can be swayed ormanipulated by one or two people is so far out, if they werent all in agreement then there would have been a retrial. "Evans sneaked in after his friend has used her"----the jury agreed that it was consensual sex between Evans friend Mcdonald and the girl--that's why he wasn't charged with rape --therefore he didn't use her. She had gone back with Macdonald willingly for pizza and sex. Also the jury were not all in agreement and had to go back at the judges request and come to a unanimous agreement. (judge wouldn't accept a majority verdict) Therefore a number (we don't know how many) of the jurors were "swayed" by the others to change their initial opinion of innocent or in the case of Macdonald guilt.
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Oh yes he did use her whether you like it or not, she was vunerable the worse for drink, and McDonald knew it thats why he phoned his mate, easy pickings lets all have a bit of fun, any decent human being would have made sure she got home instead of taking advantage, predators on the lookout for easy marks. 
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..and another thing.
McDonald warned the Porter to keep an eye on the girl in room 14, as she was sick. Therefore, he knew that Evans was also going to leave her after he'd had enough, which was also proven as McDonald waited outside the hotel for Evans. Then they went to Evans home. So that is another point of interest. Pre arranged , I would have thought.
Whatever happened to the two chaps the room was supposedly booked for ? They obviously didn't need it, and why would Evans book a room under the name of McDonald when his friends ,who it was supposedly for, never even entered the room?
Evans also admitted lying to the porter to get a card for the door. Therefore he's been proven to tells lies too ! .
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Terrible decision. Hopefully the backlash will convince Oldham to reconsider, like it did with the Blades.
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I couldn't care less about football at least he's working.
Good on him, if he was that guilty he would be hiding under a rock but no he's right back out there.
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